Where fools rush in.. (Dem's & hearings)

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Um, lots of the prisoners in Gitmo were bought from the Northern Alliance, had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda. Torture them as well? I mean, they're supposed to be the "worst of the worst"

Do you not think it makes things an awful lot worse for Americans to be known as torturers, practitioners of a practice that almost the entire world has rejected? For a US soldier captured in combat, does this make things better or worse? For recruiting potential terrorists, does this act as a deterrent, or as a reason to fight America?

Again, torture isn't about the characteristics of the tortured, but of the torturer. It says something about you, not the guy in the chair.

I can appreciate that you don't care. It just depresses me that Americans don't care, and in some cases, want to torture people. There's a bloodthirsty streak in some of this that is scary to see. The fact that several posters here are giving 9/11 as an excuse to torture reeks of revenge.
In fairness, 99% of the Americans who want to torture people that I've met, have been on the Internet.

You are reading to much into it Tchocky. First of all, I did not say I approve of torture. I said I did not care if it was done. Secondly, you have thrown the whole lot of Americans into the 'don't care' about torture pile. There are a bunch at the ACLU that do care. 9/11 is not an excuse, it is a fact. Also, the 99% of American who want to torture people you found on the net...I never said I wanted torture nor promote it. I do not care about this particular brand of terrorist being tortured. I see one in this thread who promotes torture and is fine in his view. So be it.

Do I think it deters torture for American soldiers who are captured...nope. But you know what, they are going to torture anyway whether we torture or not. Beheading to follow. For some reason, you have painted a human face on a terrorist...this was your first mistake. Find me a compassionate terrorist and I will find you unicorn.

The northern alliance? Alliance means what? This alliance was allied with what entity then?

America known as torturers that the world has rejected such practices? What world is that who has rejected torturing people? Happens everyday. Heck, some countries do not bother to torture, if they do not like you, you simply disappear.

Torture watch

http://www.irct.org/Torture-in-the-world-35.aspx

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

You are reading to much into it Tchocky. First of all, I did not say I approve of torture. I said I did not care if it was done. Secondly, you have thrown the whole lot of Americans into the 'don't care' about torture pile. There are a bunch at the ACLU that do care. 9/11 is not an excuse, it is a fact. Also, the 99% of American who want to torture people you found on the net...I never said I wanted torture nor promote it. I do not care about this particular brand of terrorist being tortured. I see one in this thread who promotes torture and is fine in his view. So be it.

I meant to type "some" Americans, edited now. I believed that you approved until you said you just didnt care.

Do I think it deters torture for American soldiers who are captured...nope. But you know what, they are going to torture anyway whether we torture or not. Beheading to follow.
For some reason, you have painted a human face on a terrorist...this was your first mistake. Find me a compassionate terrorist and I will find you unicorn.

For some reason? What in blazes are you talking about? Terrorists are people. They blow up people, and bleed when they got shot. They're not mythical incarnations of evil, sent by an angry God.
I grew up with a few terrorists, my next door neighbour blew up 30 people in a shopping centre. They are humans. It's possible for a human to do horrible things.

The northern alliance? Alliance means what? This alliance was allied with what entity then?

The Northern Alliance from the war in Afghanistan, allied with the US in the initial war there.

What world is that who has rejected torturing people? Happens everyday. Heck, some countries do not bother to torture, if they do not like you, you simply disappear.

Signatories of the UN Convention Against Torture, which includes the US.

http://www.irct.org/Torture-in-the-world-35.aspx

I know it still happens, I find it sad that the US is one country that tortures people.

[AVGWarhawk]

It is sad that tortured performed. Reading up on the disposition today, a less harmful technique was used and information gained. There was pressure to use more diabolical techniques after this initial technique worked. The problem here Tchocky is the thread concerned Pelosi and the rest of the crew...what did they know? They knew everything but sat on their thumbs yet they come out on their high horse. Total rubbish. This entire debacle is not about torture...it is political jockeying..nothing more. That is sadder then the actual torture itself because it shows the world that our politcal parties are self-serving. This speaks volumes to me and the world.

At any rate, things like this prevent a reoccurrance in the furture(so it is hoped)