Where fools rush in.. (Dem's & hearings)

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051103412.html


Torture always gets you what you want to know. Whether what you want to know is true or not.




http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/23/op...=3&ref=opinion

From an FBI interrogator




More on this from Andrew Sullivan - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle6168270.ece

Simple-minded.

Seriously, is it that hard for you to think of a simple way to confirm the veracity of the information given under pressure? Just ask, and I'll spell it out for you.

Oh, and don't expect anyone to go crazy over an FBI agent's account for what works and doesn't work. They are citizens, just like you and me, and therefore are subject to the same politcal bias'.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Simple-minded.

What?
Information obtained under torture turns out to be unreliable, concocted, made up.

Seriously, is it that hard for you to think of a simple way to confirm the veracity of the information given under pressure? Just ask, and I'll spell it out for you.

What?
There was no attempt to confirm that information, because it was that they wanted to hear. Saddam and Al-Qaeda working together.

Oh, and don't expect anyone to go crazy over an FBI agent's account for what works and doesn't work. They are citizens, just like you and me, and therefore are subject to the same politcal bias'.

So you think that this first-hand account is not to be believed, because the writer............is a citizen?


An update from toady's NYT on the circumstances of Congressional knowledge. - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/op...html?th&emc=th

Our stance on so-called "torture"

Says it all , torture is torture , no two ways about it , putting it in parenthesis just shows that your views are totally ignorant on the subject.

Seriously, is it that hard for you to think of a simple way to confirm the veracity of the information given under pressure? Just ask, and I'll spell it out for you.

Yes therei s a way , which is why the ticking bomb to justify torture arguement is crap , because torture doesn't provide reliable information .

Again, I ask you to consult a specialist on educating you to read. None of this is related to my point.

You have no point , you are attempting to justify the unjustifiable.

Perhaps I should start a thread about how the world is flat because one individual from the Flat Earth Society said so...

Perhaps you shouild look at the multitude if interrogators who have spoken during this recent episode , and then go back through recent history or even ancient history and maybe realise why it is you who is the equivalent of the flat earther on this subject .

Ah, yes ... thick sarcasm to explain that you acknowledge that what I am saying is fact,

No that is sarcasm directed at the irrelevant crap you wrote .

When did I state there was a mythical "stupid" person that terrorists don't attempt to bomb?

You described a position as STUPID , you implied that someone was taking that position , since no one has then obviously you are refering to a mythical person .

You know, if you want to make a point on a topic it helps to actually make a point, rather than feigning insult. In other words, you should be able to show why I'm wrong substantively.

Posession of a funtioning brain shows you to be wrong , substantively wrong . Torture is illegal , waterboarding under every definition of torture is torture , torture is ineffective at providing reliable information , unreliable information is not much use and is actually a hinderence in cases like the "ticking bomb" where accuracy is essential .
Plus of course for good measure your knowledge of both international and American law is woefully lacking any credibility , which of course completely undrmines your "destroying way of life" nonsense .

But hey lets put it simply so that perhaps even you can grasp it . America says waterboarding is torture , American courts say waterboarding is torture . Every year the American government does these nice little reports on how screwed up countries are , one measure for assesment of how screwed up the country is is the use of torture in those countries , crazy tin pot dictatorships get bad marks from the State Dept because they use torture . If you support your country using torture you are lowering it to the same level of those crazy tin pot dictatorships .
Now if you don't think that making your country the moral equivalent of N.Korea or Sudan is destroying your way of life then you really havn't thought at all