Where fools rush in.. (Dem's & hearings)

The ticking-time-bomb scenario that you're describing just doesn't occur outside of 24.

It does , that fella that got the information on Al-zacahawis location said the ticking bomb situation was commonplace in Iraq , but he said that torture doesn't work .

Does you believe that a nation will create more enemies by torturing the ones it captures?

He also said that most of the local and foriegn terrorists he dealt with in Iraq gave the US use of torture and the prisoner abuse as major reasons for them joining the terrorists in the first place .

You know what, beheading individuals is far worse then what waterboarding is

Yeah and murder is worse than theft so that means stealing is perfectly OK
What a fruitcake

[Tchocky]

I can't understand your reasoning, AVG. Torture is OK because there are other people doing worse things.

You know what, beheading individuals is far worse then what waterboarding is...specifically if these individuals are just citizens or reporters doing a job. So yep, I have no issue with it.

I wasn't asking specifically about waterboarding, but about torture. Are you in favour of using torture as a means of furthering US policy?

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

He also said that most of the local and foriegn terrorists he dealt with in Iraq gave the US use of torture and the prisoner abuse as major reasons for them joining the terrorists in the first place .

Oh, so to fight the percieved "use of torture" and prisoner abuse they put explosives on themselves, walk to a market place and blow innocents up in the name of jihad?
Makes sense.
Let's try and find some more excuses for terrorists. Could be fun.

Oh, so to fight the percieved "use of torture" and prisoner abuse

"use of torture" ?????
Oh I get it ...

It certainly isn't comparable to the "traditional" (and common sense) idea of torture

When the Gestapo did it against people they called terrorists it was torture , when Imperial Japan did it against enemies of the empire it was torture , when N.Korea did it against what they called Imperialist lackeys it was torture , but when some retard who got into the whitehouse says its OK then it isn't torture .

[CaptainHaplo]

Let me make this real easy and clear for those of you who dont get it.....

If you sign a treaty or agreement - your bound to follow its dictates - whenever you deal with any other signatory. However - the terrorists didn't sign on - so they dont fall under the agreement. Just like they don't fall under the Geneva Conventions regarding treatment of POW's.

Now call it waving the national flag or whatever you want to try and demean it - but here is the way it is when your dealing with MOST Americans....

"MY People are worth more to me than yours are."

I've said it time and again - its a question of them or us, and the fact is that you had people with the balls to say "well - in a them or us situation - its going to be them that gets the short end of the stick." Like it or not - thats the way it is.

So make your snide little comments about "waah your playing the nationalism card" (being from canada I can see why you don't have an understanding of national pride.... though don't think we don't appreciate that you sent 7 guys and that tank to WW2. See we remember!)

*For all my Canuck friends - thats a joke mates!*

Whine about the ticking time bomb - but heres the question - when do you know that there is one? Apparently you want to stick your head in the sand and say "well there just CANT be one" - well buddy, we had that attitude pre 9/11 - and see what it got us? To quote a famous saying...

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

Until you figure out that there are people out there that want to not only kill you - but destroy your very society - and take that threat seriously, you will be unable to win against terrorism. Its not pleasant that things must - thankfully RARELY - be done outside the normal procedures - but if one guy gets made a little uncomfortable so we can verify some info and save lives, thats ok.

If you think its torture - don't ever try to play streetball in NY brother - cuz the rules are simple - no blood, no foul.