Same-sex marriage in Sweden/Gays in military

I wonder how someone could get that homophobic...

Quite often that level of vocal homophobia is a sign that the"homophobe" is really rather partial to back door deliveries themselves but likes to hide it .

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

As long as such discussion is conducted in a civil fashion, which I believe Contact will

It is no censorship of opinion that took place. It is sanctioning of absolutely unacceptable wording, and thus: bad behavior. We two also disagree on a lot of things, Lance - but I remember we always stayed polite, even friendly. some of what Contact fired, was absolutely unacceptable, and intentionally provocative for the sake of being provocative, even beyond the content of the thread.

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Your first post was just a unclear to me, thanks for the explanation.
Cant really argue with you here, but allowing something is a small step closer to t being accepted by society, though I am fairly sure anti gay feeling will not be anywhere in a long time. But they might become more of a fringe thing than the norm.

Yea could be, I'm a little more cynical when it comes to politics in general and governments that are asking for applauds for doing the 'morally right thing'.

I remember reading an advice to gay people who are going to the Baltic countries not to walk hand in hand in public places or they could face open hostility. So I don't think it's just Contact who is at fault here, it's a question of the whole country and maybe much of Eastern Europe still having not adapted to the western 'morals'. To make clear I'm not anti-gay but I also know that the whole gay-issue can be used for other political reasons.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Yea could be, I'm a little more cynical when it comes to politics in general and governments that are asking for applauds for doing the 'morally right thing'.

I remember reading an advice to gay people who are going to the Baltic countries not to walk hand in hand in public places or they could face open hostility. So I don't think it's just Contact who is at fault here, it's a question of the whole country and maybe much of Eastern Europe still having not adapted to the western 'morals'. To make clear I'm not anti-gay but I also know that the whole gay-issue can be used for other political reasons.

Morality has little to do with it. DNA and genetics makes human homosexuality an aberration. It is no suprise that a large portion of the population rejects the gay disposition, as it is counter-intuitive to what is neccessary for our race to survive.

[XabbaRus]

Much of eastern europe and Russia is, if not homophobic not very receptive.

The ironic thing in Russia at least is that there are a number of very high profile gay people who are loved as entertainers there sexuality not coming into it.

For example every year in Moscow they try to organise a gay pride march, every year it is officially banned and every year they march without a permit and the result is predictable. What I don't understand is why the gay pride people insist on marching in countries which are not as tolerant as in western europe (though I'm not so sure on this one) such as in Moscow. They know what will happen to them and in my opinion marching won't make Russians any more tolerant. In fact when I was over there the majority of people I spoke with were of the opinion that they didn't care if someone was gay, but why do they have to shout about it.

[saltysplash]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

It is my firm belief that it is in fact an illness brought on by the stresses of modern society. .

Would the much documented Homosexuals of the ancient world also have suffered this illness brought on by the stresses of their modern society?

[August]

Originally Posted by saltysplash

Would the much documented Homosexuals of the ancient world also have suffered this illness brought on by the stresses of their modern society?

Not that I buy into the theory but the ancient world had it's stresses as well, including overpopulation which seems to be the cause of homosexuality in the animal world.

What I don't understand is why the gay pride people insist on marching in countries which are not as tolerant as in western europe

Since those marches started out as protests where the western countries were not tolerant of poofs can you think of any better place for them to march nowadays than countries that are still very intolerant .

[Letum]

Originally Posted by August

overpopulation [...] seems to be the cause of homosexuality in the animal world.

I have not heard about that. Can you explain?

[August]

Originally Posted by Letum

I have not heard about that. Can you explain?

I read an article on it some years back. Apparently homosexuality may be natures way of limiting species populations. It seems reasonable since it accommodates biological urges without increasing population.

[Letum]

Why would nature limit population?
Genes are selfish. They never do anything because it is good for the
species, only ever because it it good for the gene. If they happen to do
anything for the good of the species, it is only because it is also good for
the individual gene.

[August]

Originally Posted by Letum

Why would nature limit population?
Genes are selfish. They never do anything because it is good for the
species, only ever because it it good for the gene. If they happen to do
anything for the good of the species, it is only because it is also good for
the individual gene.

Maybe we don't understand how genes operate as well as we think we do.

[saltysplash]

Originally Posted by August

Not that I buy into the theory but the ancient world had it's stresses as well, including overpopulation which seems to be the cause of homosexuality in the animal world.

The point I was making was, if homosexuality is to be described as an illness then it been around for a hell of a long time. In fact contrary to modern popular thinking, in certain civilisations such as in ancient Greece, it was the norm rather than something abhorant. if the writers of the scriptures are to be believed its been going on since men with big grey beards roamed the earth stroking their beards and looking for god inside bushes on fire.

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by August

Maybe we don't understand how genes operate as well as we think we do.

It's plausible, but we can't know for sure if it's a realistic thought until we know if we think wrong about genes or not.

[August]

Originally Posted by saltysplash

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

Of course they were. Why else the constant wars of conquest if not to make room for expansion?