Same-sex marriage in Sweden/Gays in military

[Freiwillige]

Intolerant. This has become the ultimate smear word for the p.c. elite and is only trumped by the word Racist which is itslef only trumped by the ultimate smear Nazi!

These words by there very desighn are meant to silence any opposition to a P.C. issue. Commerade Stalin would be proud indeed of what his P.C. crowd has accomplished.

Lets look at "Intolerant" for example, Would you tolerate a drug dealer living in your house?

Now I cannot myself condone violence except for in absolute defence I can agree that I am "Intolerant" about the gay issue being forced down the majority's throat.

I am not intolerant of gay people per say, I have a few gay friends. But they respect my views and dont push the issue in front of me and I dont push the issue with them.

But this whole gay movement really irks me. To say it is normal non deviant behavour is a stretch, simply because it is not natural. Everything lives on this earth to continue ones species, No other mammal has a homosexual sect. It is my firm belief that it is in fact an illness brought on by the stresses of modern society. Many psychiatrists agree with the illness view but its become such a political hot potato tht nobody will touch it anymore.

So yes I am Intolerant not of homosexuals but of their mass agenda. When states vote no on same sex marriage and then the courts overturn it well obviously there is a powerfull agenda. And the idea they have no rights is funny, sine they can Vote, get an eduction, Aquire a drivers license, serve in the millitary etc. So we the majority are being oppresive when we deny them marriage? I think not, but thats the beauty of America, we all have our oppinions and can express them freely....for now.

[saltysplash]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

It is my firm belief that it is in fact an illness brought on by the stresses of modern society. .

Would the much documented Homosexuals of the ancient world also have suffered this illness brought on by the stresses of their modern society?

[August]

Originally Posted by saltysplash

Would the much documented Homosexuals of the ancient world also have suffered this illness brought on by the stresses of their modern society?

Not that I buy into the theory but the ancient world had it's stresses as well, including overpopulation which seems to be the cause of homosexuality in the animal world.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by August

overpopulation [...] seems to be the cause of homosexuality in the animal world.

I have not heard about that. Can you explain?

[August]

Originally Posted by Letum

I have not heard about that. Can you explain?

I read an article on it some years back. Apparently homosexuality may be natures way of limiting species populations. It seems reasonable since it accommodates biological urges without increasing population.

[Letum]

Why would nature limit population?
Genes are selfish. They never do anything because it is good for the
species, only ever because it it good for the gene. If they happen to do
anything for the good of the species, it is only because it is also good for
the individual gene.

[August]

Originally Posted by Letum

Why would nature limit population?
Genes are selfish. They never do anything because it is good for the
species, only ever because it it good for the gene. If they happen to do
anything for the good of the species, it is only because it is also good for
the individual gene.

Maybe we don't understand how genes operate as well as we think we do.

[saltysplash]

Originally Posted by August

Not that I buy into the theory but the ancient world had it's stresses as well, including overpopulation which seems to be the cause of homosexuality in the animal world.

The point I was making was, if homosexuality is to be described as an illness then it been around for a hell of a long time. In fact contrary to modern popular thinking, in certain civilisations such as in ancient Greece, it was the norm rather than something abhorant. if the writers of the scriptures are to be believed its been going on since men with big grey beards roamed the earth stroking their beards and looking for god inside bushes on fire.

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

[August]

Originally Posted by saltysplash

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

Of course they were. Why else the constant wars of conquest if not to make room for expansion?

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by August

Of course they were. Why else the constant wars of conquest if not to make room for expansion?

Because it's fun?

[saltysplash]

Originally Posted by August

Of course they were. Why else the constant wars of conquest if not to make room for expansion?

To feed the masses back home by way of tribute. Safeguarding borders, Military triumph and renown.

Expansion of the Empire is not to be confused with expansion due to over crowding.

Most Empires expanded for monetary gain and commercial reasons

[August]

Originally Posted by saltysplash

To feed the masses back home by way of tribute. Safeguarding borders, Military triumph and renown.

Expansion of the Empire is not to be confused with expansion due to over crowding.

Most Empires expanded for monetary gain and commercial reasons

"Commercial reasons" "Feeding the masses"; both ways of describing overpopulation. Armies and war have always been the best way of trimming the numbers of extra males in a population.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by saltysplash

The point I was making was, if homosexuality is to be described as an illness then it been around for a hell of a long time. In fact contrary to modern popular thinking, in certain civilisations such as in ancient Greece, it was the norm rather than something abhorant. if the writers of the scriptures are to be believed its been going on since men with big grey beards roamed the earth stroking their beards and looking for god inside bushes on fire.

Not sure Alexander was too concerned with over population

Salty,

You lost me on the last line concerning the 'writer of the scriptures'.

[saltysplash]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Salty,

You lost me on the last line concerning the 'writer of the scriptures'.

The writers of the scriptures mention Homosexuality throughout the old and new testaments. which was in response that its an Illness brought on by Modern day stress.

[Skybird]

Whether it is a disease can be argued. While psychological stress of severe kind eventually can make a subject to "chose" homosexual partners although by hardware it is not homosexual, originally, and so can curiosity make people to experiment as well, the real, unavoidable homosexuality that the subject cannot escape, is hardcoded in the hardware, a genetical deviation from the biologcial norm of our species, and that norm is genetically encoded heterosexuality. Because you cannot change your metabolic functions and physiological chemistry by will and choice alone, but we know for sure that homosexual people "chemically" react to for example the smell of sweat (pheromones) of the same gender in the same way like heterosexuals react to pheromones of the other gender. And here we do not talk about habits anymore, but substantial basic chemical processes that get noted by the receiver, and to which he cannot help but to react, again chemically.

BTW, in North America homosexuality once was officially rated as a disease, and as such it was classified in the Diagnostical and Statistical Manual, DSM. For the revision of the 3rd version, DSM-IIIR, one followed the popular social pressure, and deleted it from it. That was one of the greatest and most spectacular successes of medicine ever: with just on stroke of the pencil, millions of ill patients got healed from their disease, from one second to the next.