Keep your dissent to yourself !

Platapus · 04-24-09, 10:02 AM

Ok that's one man's interpretation. Do we have any facts that the evil Democrats are hatching up equally evil plans to suppress dissent?

Every paragraph is just

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Christopher Monckton claimed...

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Monckton told

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According to Monckton

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Monckton said

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Monckton explained

This is only his opinion/perception. Don't confuse opinion with facts.

Here is a hint: Anytime an "scientist" uses the phrase "chickened out" in an argument, their credibility takes a dip.

Tchocky · 04-24-09, 10:17 AM

Monckton is a joke.

AVGWarhawk · 04-24-09, 12:32 PM

Is Gore a scientist? What qualifies Gore then?

mr chris · 04-24-09, 12:35 PM

Whoa i surprised you guys trust anyone these days to tell you the truth. Least of all political party's and there followers.
I would not trust any politician as far a i could throw the tosser.

AVGWarhawk · 04-24-09, 12:39 PM

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This is only his opinion/perception. Don't confuse opinion with facts.

Here is a hint: Anytime an "scientist" uses the phrase "chickened out" in an argument, their credibility takes a dip.

Well here is a hint...Gore is a stuffed shirt retired VP. He is about as qualified as me in global warming matters. Yet, most here have thrown Monckton under the bus and for what, an opinion. If that is the case, both Gore and Monckton are nothing but opinions looking to debate.

SUBMAN1 · 04-25-09, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Well here is a hint...Gore is a stuffed shirt retired VP. He is about as qualified as me in global warming matters. Yet, most here have thrown Monckton under the bus and for what, an opinion. If that is the case, both Gore and Monckton are nothing but opinions looking to debate.

Lets put it this way. The people in this forum are not arguing the facts but are instead only basing their opinion on if he should be heard or not on where he stands on the issue. This is typical liberal hypocrisy. Hypocrites and they probably don't even realize they are doing it. That's pretty sad.

-S

Enigma · 04-25-09, 01:25 PM

As opposed to typical conservative hypocrisy? As oppose to typical steamwake/subman hypocrisy? Give me a frikkin break, would you lads? Your both the joint kings of completely ignoring threads in which your theories or statements get completely blown out of the water. So please, spare us. Get outside a little. I promise you'll like it out there.

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A consensus doesn't mean everyone agrees - it means that there is a large amount of agreement on a theory that is not verifiable.

I agree. Lets start hurling insults at those who believe in God!

Jimbuna · 04-24-09, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mr chris

Whoa i surprised you guys trust anyone these days to tell you the truth. Least of all political party's and there followers.
I would not trust any politician as far a i could throw the tosser.

They're still a young country Chris....give em time and they'll learn, the hard way like we did

UnderseaLcpl · 04-24-09, 01:44 PM

This "suppression" is actually amazingly common. It happens in business, politics, and even science. Generally, there is some agenda behind it.
Just look at teachers' unions that lobby against parent choice in school districts. Do parents benefit from not having a choice of schools? Of course not, but the union does, because if parents had a choice, teachers would have to work harder and be more effective. But tell that to the teachers. Not many people any would go about saying that a lot of our teachers and schools aren't worth the paper we pay them with, because they would be accused of jeapordizing our childrens' futures. Ask just about anyone if they favor more funding for education. The answer is virtually always a yes. We have the union lobby to thank for that, despite their consistent failure to provide adequate education in America.

There is quite a bit of big business support for environmental regulation as well. The reason for that is that regulation is harmful to new business, a.k.a. competition, whilst also being good for publicity. Now everyone "knows" that global warming is a fact. They "know" that mankind caused it. They "know" that we can do something about it.

Even scientists are not immune to that kind of behavior. Plenty of "junk" science has been peddled to the media, and then to the public over the years. It is often accompanied by alarmism and defamation of the opposite side of the argument. And it often works.

If the theory of man-made global warming (and measures to combat it) is good science, why do they oppose debate? Why are their arguments often so charged with morality and emotion and fear (It's for the children! We can't take chances! etc. etc.)
Given other examples of the same kind of behavior, I think there is an agenda, even if that agenda is only the validation of a particular line of work.

Perhaps the IPCC will protest this move, which would restore some of their credibility in my eyes, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

Spike88 · 04-25-09, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Is Gore a scientist? What qualifies Gore then?

The fact he invented the Internet.

Enigma · 04-26-09, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Of course he could. Problem is now, that would be free will to you now wouldn't it?

Now there you have a good point.

August · 04-26-09, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Enigma

Hey it's not Gods fault that you prefer a big brother nanny state that wipes your nose for you.

Stealth Hunter · 04-27-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Hey it's not Gods fault that you prefer a big brother nanny state that wipes your nose for you.

But isn't God the one who supposedly makes us who we are, each and everyone, individualistic?

Too much chatter. I'm going to hang with Aegir for a while. At least he knows how to have fun...

Aramike · 04-24-09, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Ok that's one man's interpretation. Do we have any facts that the evil Democrats are hatching up equally evil plans to suppress dissent?

Every paragraph is just

This is only his opinion/perception. Don't confuse opinion with facts.

Here is a hint: Anytime an "scientist" uses the phrase "chickened out" in an argument, their credibility takes a dip.

Your quotes merely illustrate the bias and style of the author and has nothing to do with the source.

Besides, why shouldn't his opinions be listened to any more than Al Gore's? The "science" is hardly conclusive and represents a concensus moreso than experimental verification.

SteamWake · 04-24-09, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Your quotes merely illustrate the bias and style of the author and has nothing to do with the source.

Besides, why shouldn't his opinions be listened to any more than Al Gore's? The "science" is hardly conclusive and represents a concensus moreso than experimental verification.

What concensus?

Its more like a religion than a scientific process if anything.

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UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This "suppression" is actually amazingly common. It happens in business, politics, and even science. Generally, there is some agenda behind it. Just look at teachers' unions that lobby against parent choice in school districts. Do parents benefit from not having a choice of schools? Of course not, but the union does, because if parents had a choice, teachers would have to work harder and be more effective. But tell that to the teachers. Not many people any would go about saying that a lot of our teachers and schools aren't worth the paper we pay them with, because they would be accused of jeapordizing our childrens' futures. Ask just about anyone if they favor more funding for education. The answer is virtually always a yes. We have the union lobby to thank for that, despite their consistent failure to provide adequate education in America. There is quite a bit of big business support for environmental regulation as well. The reason for that is that regulation is harmful to new business, a.k.a. competition, whilst also being good for publicity. Now everyone "knows" that global warming is a fact. They "know" that mankind caused it. They "know" that we can do something about it. Even scientists are not immune to that kind of behavior. Plenty of "junk" science has been peddled to the media, and then to the public over the years. It is often accompanied by alarmism and defamation of the opposite side of the argument. And it often works. If the theory of man-made global warming (and measures to combat it) is good science, why do they oppose debate? Why are their arguments often so charged with morality and emotion and fear (It's for the children! We can't take chances! etc. etc.) Given other examples of the same kind of behavior, I think there is an agenda, even if that agenda is only the validation of a particular line of work. Perhaps the IPCC will protest this move, which would restore some of their credibility in my eyes, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force