Just curious - Page 2

Aramike · 02-23-09, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

Oh, and you DO understand that wartime spending HELPS the economy, right?

GoldenRivet · 02-23-09, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

I dont care who started it or how.

Just want to know what we the people are going to do about it.

A. point fingers and blindly follow the same old tired "us vs. them" BS (Fr8)

or

B. Discuss - without pointing fingers and pissing and moaning about who's fault it is.

obviously im asking WAY too much here.

this is an easy exercise... dont blindly follow whoever "your guy" is... and look at ways to fix this as common people.

everyone has their theories

but i dont want to hear is

"Well whaaaa whaaaa.... its all Herbert Hoover's fault.... and global warming!!! and .... and ... and venture capitalists?! ... If (insert party affiliation here) was running things the whole time this would have never happened to begin with... america would be utopia!!! whaaaaaaa"

UnderseaLcpl · 02-23-09, 08:34 PM

Interesting questions GR.

For me, we're already past the line in the sand. Not so far past it that I'm going to try to incite a rebellion or anything, but enough that I excercise my legal rights to protest. I write letters to my congresswomen, and I vote and support a third party, participate in their rallies, etc.

For America as a whole I think the point will likely come when it usually does in any nation; when things get really, really bad. Especially when the economy gets really really bad. What happens then is anyone's guess. Could be a peaceful trend back towards Constitutionalism, could be a revolt, could be civil war. Hard to say.
Of course, we could also go the other way, towards a more centralist state, but I think that Americans would fight sooner than see that.

A major breach of Constitutional freedoms would probably trigger a backlash as well. It would have to be drastic, and not done too slowly for people to realize what is going on.

GoldenRivet · 02-23-09, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

congresswomen

well there's your problem :rotfl:

JK

Platapus · 02-23-09, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Congress has like a 2% approval rating,

Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be difficult for any person to accurately and objectively assign one "rating" to 535 completely different people.

When the re-election rate gets down to single digits, then I will believe that congress truly has a low approval rating.

With a re-election rate over 90% ( on average) it appears that citizens are quite happy with their representatives.

SteamWake · 02-23-09, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be

Thats the point I was trying to make.

The problem is that the american public at large are un-informed, ignorant, and wanton... yes wanton... hand out.

If we could get more people whom carried the water instead of drinking it.

Platapus · 02-23-09, 10:22 PM

Well no where in the Constitution does it state that a citizen can't be Ignorant, Ill informed or Wanton.

If it did, our citizen population would sure take a hit.

Kapt Z · 02-23-09, 10:26 PM

Well, we could reinstate the draft....

For all the downsides it would at least wake everyone up.

danurve · 02-24-09, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

GoldenRivet · 02-24-09, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Congress has like a 2% approval rating,

Well considering they are re-elected over 90% of the time in free and open elections, by the citizens in the respective states, I would question the validity of this "rating"

I think it would be difficult for any person to accurately and objectively assign one "rating" to 535 completely different people.

When the re-election rate gets down to single digits, then I will believe that congress truly has a low approval rating.

With a re-election rate over 90% ( on average) it appears that citizens are quite happy with their representatives.

you wanna know WHY they get re-elected 90% of the time?

because your average joe Democrat and your average joe Republican walk up to the voting maching and punch "Straight republican" or "Straight democrat"

and thus... their fate is sealed.

and a good number of them dont have a fuc*ing clue who they just voted for.

one would be a fool if they didnt agree with the following statements...

1. "most voters dont follow politics closely"

2. "most voters dont want to see things change too much"

3. "most voters are not truly educated on the issues at hand"

that sir is a fact

and it is the reason you see so many re-election numbers.

think about that next time you go and stamp "straight democrat" or "straight republican" - do you really know how your congress person voted on the issues? does the person next to you know?

Aramike · 02-24-09, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

Well, we could reinstate the draft....

For all the downsides it would at least wake everyone up.

Ouch. I'd rather not dilute our armed forces with malcontents...

Platapus · 02-24-09, 06:11 PM

GoldenRivit, I would have a hard time disagreeing with what you posted.

02-23-09, 08:34 PM	#18
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Interesting questions GR. For me, we're already past the line in the sand. Not so far past it that I'm going to try to incite a rebellion or anything, but enough that I excercise my legal rights to protest. I write letters to my congresswomen, and I vote and support a third party, participate in their rallies, etc. For America as a whole I think the point will likely come when it usually does in any nation; when things get really, really bad. Especially when the economy gets really really bad. What happens then is anyone's guess. Could be a peaceful trend back towards Constitutionalism, could be a revolt, could be civil war. Hard to say. Of course, we could also go the other way, towards a more centralist state, but I think that Americans would fight sooner than see that. A major breach of Constitutional freedoms would probably trigger a backlash as well. It would have to be drastic, and not done too slowly for people to realize what is going on. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

02-23-09, 10:22 PM	#22
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,391 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Well no where in the Constitution does it state that a citizen can't be Ignorant, Ill informed or Wanton. If it did, our citizen population would sure take a hit. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

02-24-09, 06:11 PM	#27
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,391 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	GoldenRivit, I would have a hard time disagreeing with what you posted. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	Well, we could reinstate the draft.... For all the downsides it would at least wake everyone up.