Just curious

Digital_Trucker · 02-23-09, 04:25 PM

They've already crossed the line in the sand as far as I am concerned. But being just one person, there's not a lot I can do until there are enough of us to push them back across the line (which, according to Al Gore, will be underwater due to global warming by the time we start pushing them).

That reminds me of an excellent joke:

What do you call a thousand politicians at the bottom of the ocean?

A good start

Fr8monkey · 02-23-09, 04:32 PM

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

August · 02-23-09, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

What exactly did Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with sub-prime lending?

GoldenRivet · 02-23-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

I stood up and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dollars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

What exactly did Iraq and Afghanistan have to do with sub-prime lending?

precisely.

someone needs to watch ...

...Part one ( )

... and two ( )

of the "crisis of credit" video, really shows you how all this stuff got started without someone going out on a politically motivated witch hunt.

seriously, i recommend these videos.

this is the problem we have with this nation

Whenever Person A recommends action or a change of direction... Person B jumps on the "Well its all Person A's fault we're in this mess to begin with" band wagon

and those discussions always go nowhere.

My opinion...

if you lend irresponsibly - and subsequently go broke because of it - it is NOT the governments place borrow all my money so they can save you.

if you run your business irresponsibly - and subsequently you have to risk going bankrupt - it is NOT the governments place to borrow all my money so they can save you.

If your home gets forclosed on because you purchased a vast over priced mantion even though your a minimum wage worker - it is NOT the governments place to take my money and give it to you so you can continue to live a life of financial reckless abandon.

see the pattern here?

Fr8monkey · 02-23-09, 05:48 PM

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

Oberon · 02-23-09, 06:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...51CF5912FD3DAD

SteamWake · 02-23-09, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

Actually Carter started it Clinton made it worse.

But I know Im waisting my breath as you wont be able to step back and realize this.

Bush derangement syndrom.:rotfl:

baggygreen · 02-23-09, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

Sorry mate, but you've gotta take a step back and look a little more objectively. One of the main causes of the current issue is sub-prime lending. Under Clinton it became illegal for banks to refuse loans to people whom they knew full well could not repay, setting us up for today.

Both sides of your party lines have made blunders, but the subprime one is a Dem doing, not Bushes nor Reagan..

Aramike · 02-23-09, 06:59 PM

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Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Carter tried to fix it??? Are you SERIOUS?

How, per se, did he do that? Carter was one of the worst economic presidents of the 20th century.

Whereas, Reagan's economics led directly to one of the largest periods of economic growth in recorded history.

Please give specifics and I'll give mine.

danurve · 02-24-09, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

Aramike · 02-23-09, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess.

Oh, and you DO understand that wartime spending HELPS the economy, right?

GoldenRivet · 02-23-09, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy.

Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it..

Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it.

See a pattern?

I dont care who started it or how.

Just want to know what we the people are going to do about it.

A. point fingers and blindly follow the same old tired "us vs. them" BS (Fr8)

or

B. Discuss - without pointing fingers and pissing and moaning about who's fault it is.

obviously im asking WAY too much here.

this is an easy exercise... dont blindly follow whoever "your guy" is... and look at ways to fix this as common people.

everyone has their theories

but i dont want to hear is

"Well whaaaa whaaaa.... its all Herbert Hoover's fault.... and global warming!!! and .... and ... and venture capitalists?! ... If (insert party affiliation here) was running things the whole time this would have never happened to begin with... america would be utopia!!! whaaaaaaa"

UnderseaLcpl · 02-23-09, 08:34 PM

Interesting questions GR.

For me, we're already past the line in the sand. Not so far past it that I'm going to try to incite a rebellion or anything, but enough that I excercise my legal rights to protest. I write letters to my congresswomen, and I vote and support a third party, participate in their rallies, etc.

For America as a whole I think the point will likely come when it usually does in any nation; when things get really, really bad. Especially when the economy gets really really bad. What happens then is anyone's guess. Could be a peaceful trend back towards Constitutionalism, could be a revolt, could be civil war. Hard to say.
Of course, we could also go the other way, towards a more centralist state, but I think that Americans would fight sooner than see that.

A major breach of Constitutional freedoms would probably trigger a backlash as well. It would have to be drastic, and not done too slowly for people to realize what is going on.

GoldenRivet · 02-23-09, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

congresswomen

well there's your problem :rotfl:

JK

02-23-09, 05:48 PM	#5
Fr8monkey Captain Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 518 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Nixon, Reagan/Bush#1 and Bush #2- Ruin the economy. Carter, Clinton and Obama- try to fix it.. Repubs dont blame the former for busting it; But blame the latter for not fixing it. See a pattern? __________________ NASA's budget in 2011... $19 billion. Result: Hi-resolution images from 127 million miles away. AT&T's budget in 2011... $20 billion. Result: Still can't get any signal from my bathroom.

02-23-09, 08:34 PM	#13
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Interesting questions GR. For me, we're already past the line in the sand. Not so far past it that I'm going to try to incite a rebellion or anything, but enough that I excercise my legal rights to protest. I write letters to my congresswomen, and I vote and support a third party, participate in their rallies, etc. For America as a whole I think the point will likely come when it usually does in any nation; when things get really, really bad. Especially when the economy gets really really bad. What happens then is anyone's guess. Could be a peaceful trend back towards Constitutionalism, could be a revolt, could be civil war. Hard to say. Of course, we could also go the other way, towards a more centralist state, but I think that Americans would fight sooner than see that. A major breach of Constitutional freedoms would probably trigger a backlash as well. It would have to be drastic, and not done too slowly for people to realize what is going on. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

02-23-09, 04:25 PM	#1
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	They've already crossed the line in the sand as far as I am concerned. But being just one person, there's not a lot I can do until there are enough of us to push them back across the line (which, according to Al Gore, will be underwater due to global warming by the time we start pushing them). That reminds me of an excellent joke: What do you call a thousand politicians at the bottom of the ocean? A good start __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

02-23-09, 04:32 PM	#2
Fr8monkey Captain Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 518 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I stoodup and said enough is enough when the Repub. spent a Trillion Dolars on a war that was not needed and put us in this economic mess. __________________ NASA's budget in 2011... $19 billion. Result: Hi-resolution images from 127 million miles away. AT&T's budget in 2011... $20 billion. Result: Still can't get any signal from my bathroom.

02-23-09, 06:02 PM	#6
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