Fear tactics !

[SteamWake]

Dident BO promise us that this kind of bill would be 'posted' for all to see at least 5 days prior to the vote?

Oh ... they dont have the 'technology' in place yet.

They promise to have it in place 'soon'

Free Beer tommrow.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Dident BO promise us that this kind of bill would be 'posted' for all to see at least 5 days prior to the vote?

Oh ... they dont have the 'technology' in place yet.

They promise to have it in place 'soon'

Free Beer tommrow.

Well, sort of. He promised to post it for review for 5 days after it got to his desk (got passed) before he would sign it. But he's already broken that promise, and he only promised to do that for "non-emergency" bills. I think he considers this one an emergency judging by the scare tactics he's using to attempt to flummox Congress and the Senate into passing it rapidly.

[CaptainHaplo]

Well for the record - in my view the "R's" don't get a pass on this - they are now screaming how this is a horrible bill full of pork - yet right before the current President took office - they rammed 700 Billion down our throat. Funny they were not concerned with the pork in that one (and yes - it was there.).

However - thankfully a few "D's" have also seen this as a bad move - and this is going to be a very defining moment when it goes to a senate vote. Now recall - this is only phase 2 - the talk is already starting on how phase 3 will be needed in late march / early april.

Ultimately - the government trying to get involved in the market is a bad move regardless. Until the people figure that out - and let the market correct itself - we will continue to get more and more government interventions.

For all those that think thats a good thing - I ask you - can anyone name 5 things that our government has ever overseen from top to bottom and hasn't screwed it up with inefficiency, reduncency, corruption and waste?

I sure can name alot of things the government STUPORvises and are a paragon of what NOT to do....

[Enigma]

Krugman sums up my feelings exactly.....

So what should Mr. Obama do? Count me among those who think that the president made a big mistake in his initial approach, that his attempts to transcend partisanship ended up empowering politicians who take their marching orders from Rush Limbaugh. What matters now, however, is what he does next.
It’s time for Mr. Obama to go on the offensive. Above all, he must not shy away from pointing out that those who stand in the way of his plan, in the name of a discredited economic philosophy, are putting the nation’s future at risk. The American economy is on the edge of catastrophe, and much of the Republican Party is trying to push it over that edge.

[Enigma]

...and by the way, re: the OP, could you point out for me where the word "now" is in the article you posted? And while your there, point out what the "fear tactics are? Because, well....

"This recession might linger for years. Our economy will lose 5 million more jobs. Unemployment will approach double digits. Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse,"

...this is true. This isn't issuing ridiculous terrorist alert levels raised the day before a major political event. This is reality....

[August]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Krugman sums up my feelings exactly.....

Why is Republican support so vital Enigma? Don't the Democrats have the numbers in Congress to pass their own bill?

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Enigma

...and by the way, re: the OP, could you point out for me where the word "now" is in the article you posted? And while your there, point out what the "fear tactics are? Because, well....

"This recession might linger for years. Our economy will lose 5 million more jobs. Unemployment will approach double digits. Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse,"

...this is true. This isn't issuing ridiculous terrorist alert levels raised the day before a major political event. This is reality....

Terrorist attacks have actually happened recently and have precedence. Our economy suffering unrecoverable damage has NOT happened recently - or ever - (economic strength is cyclical) and has no precedence.

This is fear-mongering at its worst. The "Stimulus" package does nothing to stimulate the economy. It's nothing more than an orgy of liberal agenda spending and it should sicken ALL Americans that certain politicians are using our current economic hurt to advance their pet causes. They know that Americans want a bill passed sooner than later, so they're using that urgency to force through crap that can't pass on its own.

[Enigma]

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Smilies are a great way of making a statement without actually having to flex the intellectual "muscles" required to make a point, right?

[Rockstar]

I thought this article interesting. I for one always thought during the whole campaign Obama wasn't the one running. Rather he was propped up as the front man by old farts in the back rooms of power who hadn't a chance of being president themselves.

Because they're pulling his strings there will be no leadership from him only confusion and mismanagment. I suspect at the end of four years he will only be the fall guy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...502766_pf.html


btw I am partial to Krauthammer I think he's reasonable in his observations

[Digital_Trucker]

Obama claims that we must pass HIS economic stimulus package now or things will get much worse, but he's just now getting around to get economic advice from outside of DC?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/bu...7web-econ.html

Is it just me, or does it sound a bit strange for one side of his face to be saying he knows what needs to be done and the other side of his face to be saying he needs advice from outside of Washington to know what to do?

[Enigma]

Hey, January's numbers are out!

*January job losses: 598,000
*Job losses from Nov-Jan: 1.8 million
*Unemployment rate: 7.6%
*Unemployed workers: 11.6 million

Yeah, no hurry....

[August]

Yeah, no hurry....

What's the matter, my question too difficult to answer?

Let me ask it again. How does it become the Republicans fault when the majority party in congress can't get it's own legislation passed?

Edit to add a missing quote tag

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Enigma

Hey, January's numbers are out!

Yeah, no hurry....

That also completely ignores the question of whether or not the stimulus bill will address the problem properly. Considering that virtually every measure the government has ever taken to address economic crises has essentially failed entirely, as well as costing a great deal of money, I'd say it is a valid concern.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

That also completely ignores the question of whether or not the stimulus bill will address the problem properly. Considering that virtually every measure the government has ever taken to address economic crises has essentially failed entirely, as well as costing a great deal of money, I'd say it is a valid concern.

Well not ALL have failed miserably. The Regan tax breaks were fairly effective.

But what is being legislated right now the phrase 'money pit' comes to mind.