5 convicted of plotting to kill Fort Dix soldiers - Page 2

baggygreen · 12-23-08, 01:02 AM

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I often wonder what it will take for people to realise that no, not everything is some sort of conspiracy and yes, there really are people wanting to kill you out in the big wide world.

I thought, will they believe it if a dirty bomb goes off in a city? No, its a setup.

I never said everything was a conspiracy. That is as silly as saying everything is not a conspiracy.

If a dirty bomb goes off in a city there better not be a "military exercise" going on at that exact same time and place simulating a dirty bomb. There were military exercising simulating 9-11 when it happend, and Britian's 7-7 when it happened.

I know, it was something I was discussing with someone the other day, and your post brought it back up in my mind.

I should've made it clearer that it was a general gripe, not actually aimed at anyone in particular. Sorry!

subchaser12 · 12-23-08, 03:05 AM

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I should've made it clearer that it was a general gripe, not actually aimed at anyone in particular. Sorry!

Sorry then, I am used to getting raked with machine gun fire here from all directions.

Dowly · 12-23-08, 03:13 AM

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Well you don't need to be a wacko conspirationist to find this one wonky, from what the article says these guys look more like that

Thanks! Never seen the original version of this! :rotfl::rotfl:

Aramike · 12-23-08, 04:05 AM

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This smells like the "liberty seven" incident. The feds buddy up to some wahoos and eventually coax them into saying "hey lets kill some Ameeerikans." on a recording. Then the feds in question try to use the silly case to advance their paltry careers before the thing ever sees trial.

If the feds didn't get involved with these clowns they would still be in the backyard peacefully shooting their guns and talking smack about things they will never do. No different than some rednecks shooting cans or rats pretending they are the "turrists".

Of course I will get flamed for this and called a bunch of names. I am supposed to be thanking the feds for "keeping me safe" when in fact all they are doing is keeping their jobs safe.

I doubt this will make it thru appeals. These cases never do.

Aramike's Turn

Heh, some theories are too wacked-out to bother commenting on. I'm not in the mood to get into another 40 page argument over purple unicorns, little green men, gold at the end of a rainbow, killer acid rain, good rap "music", the moon landing on a soundstage, etc. My Packers lost, what can I say...

In any case...

Usually I find the truth to be in the middle. Sure, there are some over-zealous federal agents. Most, on the other hand, are squeaky clean.

That's why we have a judiciary.

Sure, some things can slip through the cracks. However, there's nothing more "moonbat" than confusing the exception with the rule.

As far as a grand conspiracy to bring down the Twin Towers goes ... well, I've got a nice, fertile piece of desert land to give away ... just need your bank account number.

subchaser12 · 12-23-08, 08:34 AM

I never used the word conspiracy. They are making mountains out of molehills though. The feds have about three more braincells than the guys they arrested.

I know they will claim they "foiled terror" but these clowns would have gotten arrested by some local yocal cop after getting lost on the Jersey turnpikes for a few hours on the way to unleash their "terror wave".

XabbaRus · 12-23-08, 12:20 PM

You didn't have to as your whole response presumed the thing was a setup.

You even said you didn't need to read the article, therefore you are assuming that the conviction was unsound as it was the FBI who busted a bunch of islamic guys who were reported to be acting suspiciously. Also I'd hardly call the 5 a bunch of Yahoos.

Also the exercise being run on 7/7 in the UK wasn't a government/military exercise it was a private security consultancy.

Now sure in the past there have been miscarriages of justice with the feds screwing up but that doesn't mean everytime it is without merit that they arrest someone.

I also don't think you can hold Waco up there. The situation was badly handled yes, but they weren't without good cause for going in. They just underestimated the nutcases.

As for Ruby Ridge, I'll give you that one.

subchaser12 · 12-23-08, 01:30 PM

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You didn't have to as your whole response presumed the thing was a setup.

You even said you didn't need to read the article, therefore you are assuming that the conviction was unsound as it was the FBI who busted a bunch of islamic guys who were reported to be acting suspiciously. Also I'd hardly call the 5 a bunch of Yahoos.

Also the exercise being run on 7/7 in the UK wasn't a government/military exercise it was a private security consultancy.

Now sure in the past there have been miscarriages of justice with the feds screwing up but that doesn't mean everytime it is without merit that they arrest someone.

I also don't think you can hold Waco up there. The situation was badly handled yes, but they weren't without good cause for going in. They just underestimated the nutcases.

As for Ruby Ridge, I'll give you that one.

7-7, yeah yeah, just a security exercise, nothing to see here citizen, move along now. I know when I am dead and burried they will write the history books and the government official story will live on. That doesn't mean I can't call foul while I'm here. Not that it will do any good, but at least I can be honest with myself. I'm sure there were "conspiracy theorists" that thought the Reichstag was burned down by the Nazi's and blamed on the communists at the time. It is called a conspiracy "theory", we don't know, all we do know is the government lies about anything and everything, so why should we believe the word of a known liar? The thing with Waco was that it just shows how the feds like to go all out for that career promoting photo op high profile stuff. They could of just arrested David Koresh when he went for a jog. Oh no, they wanted to put on the k-pot, body armor whip out the MP5s that haven't been fired off the range and cowboy it up. That looks at lot sexier for the papers doesn't it. Until you get your ass kicked, which they did. I guess the saying "to the man with a hammer every problem looks like a nail" applies to the federal agent method of problem solving.

subchaser12 · 12-23-08, 01:38 PM

Why do you call the Waco people nutcases? David Koresh told them the government was going to come kill them and their children. The government came and did just that proving David Koresh right. That doesn't sound so nutty does it?Seventy-six people died in the fire, including 21 children and two pregnant women.

Tchocky · 12-23-08, 01:42 PM

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7-7, yeah yeah, just a security exercise, nothing to see here citizen, move along now.

I hate to spoil the party, but that's actully not very informative.

Turns out that the exercise running that morning was, as XabbaRus said, a private security company.

Oh, and vehement disagreement continues as to the cause of the Reichstag fire.

Digital_Trucker · 12-23-08, 02:51 PM

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blah, blah, blah..........

I know they will claim they "foiled terror" but these clowns would have gotten arrested by some local yocal cop after getting lost on the Jersey turnpikes for a few hours on the way to unleash their "terror wave".

If you're going to use the word, at least spell it correclty. It's yokel.

NEON DEON · 12-23-08, 03:35 PM

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I never used the word conspiracy. They are making mountains out of molehills though. The feds have about three more braincells than the guys they arrested.

I know they will claim they "foiled terror" but these clowns would have gotten arrested by some local yocal cop after getting lost on the Jersey turnpikes for a few hours on the way to unleash their "terror wave".

Never the less they were arrested, tried by a JURY, and convicted.

Now they await sentencing.

XabbaRus · 12-23-08, 04:14 PM

That doesn't matter as the jury was probably pre selected to convict and biased.

Whatever we write is going to be disagreed with.

I suppose you'll tell us next the 7/7 CCTV footage of teh bombers entering Luton station was faked aswell....

You can cry foul, when there is good cause. You seem to cry foul at anything that has the govt. invloved or an agency of.

NEON DEON · 12-23-08, 04:46 PM

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That doesn't matter as the jury was probably pre selected to convict and biased.

Whatever we write is going to be disagreed with.

I suppose you'll tell us next the 7/7 CCTV footage of teh bombers entering Luton station was faked aswell....

You can cry foul, when there is good cause. You seem to cry foul at anything that has the govt. invloved or an agency of.

Regardless of your assumption the defense was present during jury selection and was active in helping pick the jury.

XabbaRus · 12-23-08, 05:04 PM

I was being sarcastic...pre-empting what subchaser might have said.

Dowly · 12-23-08, 05:08 PM

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I also don't think you can hold Waco up there. The situation was badly handled yes

Lol, abit of an understatement there if you ask me. :p

12-23-08, 08:34 AM	#20
subchaser12 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spam, duplicate accounts, provoking moderators. Posts: 377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I never used the word conspiracy. They are making mountains out of molehills though. The feds have about three more braincells than the guys they arrested. I know they will claim they "foiled terror" but these clowns would have gotten arrested by some local yocal cop after getting lost on the Jersey turnpikes for a few hours on the way to unleash their "terror wave". Last edited by subchaser12; 12-23-08 at 09:10 AM.

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XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You didn't have to as your whole response presumed the thing was a setup. You even said you didn't need to read the article, therefore you are assuming that the conviction was unsound as it was the FBI who busted a bunch of islamic guys who were reported to be acting suspiciously. Also I'd hardly call the 5 a bunch of Yahoos. Also the exercise being run on 7/7 in the UK wasn't a government/military exercise it was a private security consultancy. Now sure in the past there have been miscarriages of justice with the feds screwing up but that doesn't mean everytime it is without merit that they arrest someone. I also don't think you can hold Waco up there. The situation was badly handled yes, but they weren't without good cause for going in. They just underestimated the nutcases. As for Ruby Ridge, I'll give you that one. __________________

12-23-08, 04:14 PM	#27
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	That doesn't matter as the jury was probably pre selected to convict and biased. Whatever we write is going to be disagreed with. I suppose you'll tell us next the 7/7 CCTV footage of teh bombers entering Luton station was faked aswell.... You can cry foul, when there is good cause. You seem to cry foul at anything that has the govt. invloved or an agency of. __________________

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XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I was being sarcastic...pre-empting what subchaser might have said. __________________

12-23-08, 01:38 PM	#23
subchaser12 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spam, duplicate accounts, provoking moderators. Posts: 377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Why do you call the Waco people nutcases? David Koresh told them the government was going to come kill them and their children. The government came and did just that proving David Koresh right. That doesn't sound so nutty does it?Seventy-six people died in the fire, including 21 children and two pregnant women.