Let's Butt Heads With An Add_on

[jimbob]

Hello.

Can you tell me what are the mast heights of the Carriers Hiryu, Shokaku, the DD Mutsuki, the Large Minelayer, and the merchant Tug?

In my reg.manual I got these:

Hiryu - the same 31m / 101.7ft
Shokaku - the same 29m / 95.1
Mutsuki - the same 23m / 75.5
Large Minelayer - the same 21m / 68.9ft
Tug Boat - different 22.8m / 74.8ft

Pic of Tug with my cleaned up optics:



So then the shootout:

With manual targeting system OFF got these distances:
Hiryu 1431m / 1565y
Shokaku 1432m / 1566y
Mutsuki 1274m / 1393y
Large Minelayer 1389m / 1518y
Tug Boat 881m / 963y

And with manual targeting system when shooting for the flag and the mast:

Hiryu Carrier autotargeting:


flag 1462y:


mast 1504y:


I got pics and info of those other boats too:

Shokaku Carrier
flag 1524y
mast 1626y

Mutsuki Destroyer
flag 2321y
mast 1488y


Large Minelayer
flag 1514y
mast 1232y

Tug Boat
flag 1224y
mast 1009y

But I got tired makin jpg's and uploading to imagehost so here's all the
15 ingame screenshots (1280x1024 bitmaps, 18.91MB zip) click to download.


And here's the mission I made for this if anyone is interested:

SH4 1.5 T1 DistanceTestbench

For Silent Hunter 4 - Wolves of the Pacific Uboat Missions
That is, stock version patched up to 1.5
	  
Use Jonesoft Generic Mod Enabler (JSGME) 
http://www.users.on.net/~jscones/software/products.html	  
or extract manually to
\Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific\Data\SingleMissions folder.

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FAQ:

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lol wut?

A german singlemission where the only goal is to measure distances.


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Why?

Gather intelligence for CapnScurvy:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=132048

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When?
	
2. March 2008

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Where?

My filefront place:
http://hosted.filefront.com/jimboblolwut/2183515

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Credits?
Duh...
	
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How?
Missioneditor.
	
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Pics or it didn't happen?

Yes, screenshots at:
http://files.filefront.com/Testbench+jimbob+shootoutszip/;9743769;/fileinfo.html


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..click to download the SH4 1.5 T1 DistanceTestbench mission.

Hopefully my shootout has some of the info you wanted.

[CapnScurvy]

Originally Posted by jimbob

Hopefully my shootout has some of the info you wanted.

HELL YA!!!

Thanks jimbob for getting back to me, after 200 onlookers to this thread I was wondering if anyone was going to bother. Pissed some of them off for various reasons you know. Too long a post, too much information to comprehend, too many realizing that the patch I paid for still has not corrected some basic stuff.

I do appreciate you telling me because I have no desire to purchase the patch if it hadn't fixed this problem of incorrect manual range finding. If I were you though I'd lay low for a while, their's guys out here that will think your just feeding the fire.

They would rather believe the inaccuracy of the game files are just the developers version of the "fog of war contributing to the overall simulation of real world conditions and events". I say bull to that theory!!! Any captain worth his salt, who found the Ship Identification Manual (ONI whatever version) not correct in it's published figures would have his tale heard back at headquarters as soon as he got back!! If the CO wouldn't listen to changing the published figures because of your story of missing targets by unacceptable amounts, you can bet your beer he told it to every other captain back at the officers club. And they would act accordingly on their next patrol. THAT GENTLEMEN IS REAL WORLD SIMULATION!!

You did a great job of expressing your point jimbob, I commend you on the use of the pictures!! A chip off the old block. Since I see the mast heights wern't changed, it's not supprising that your manual found range figures are not any better at being on target than mine. That's a pity.

So let's see, you've got:
Hiryu missing by 103 yards
Shokaku by only 42 yards Hmmmm,.... you didn't have your thumb on the scale did you?!?
Mutsuki missing by 95 yards
Okinoshima by 286 yards
the tug missing by 46 yards

Overall that's just about the same ratio as I have. I do confess that manual range gathering is a bit subjective in that it's a perspective thing. Every one of us is hampered by the type of screen resolution your using, the kind of video card that displays the image, your idea of where the top of the mast should be. Whether you twitch the mouse just the slightest bit when you left click it, throwing the bottom of the Stadimeter up or down the the different pixel lines. (Over on the regular SubSim SH4 forum site I explained, under this same post heading, how each individual pixel line can easily make a 10 yard difference +/_ in range calculations). Even if you're using a mod that changes the visual appearence of the sea or environment, the inability of being able to correctly "see" the waterline of the Stadimeter image will cause incorrect marked readings.

I do have one point to make about the flag for marking range though. I used it for the carriers only, simply because it stands to reason that a flag needs a mast to hold itself up. Logically, the top of the mast has to be at the top of the flag. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the way I see it. However, the game manual calls for the top of the mast to be used for all ship Stadimeter readings so, unless the flags are calibrated to be accurate for each ship (which could be done in a mod) stick to the tallest mast you can find for marking range.

Thanks again jimbob, you'll make a fine Captain in this man's navy!!!!

[DrBeast]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

HELL YA!!!

Thanks jimbob for getting back to me, after 200 onlookers to this thread I was wondering if anyone was going to bother. Pissed some of them off for various reasons you know. Too long a post, too much information to comprehend, too many realizing that the patch I paid for still has not corrected some basic stuff.

Well, there are some of us who haven't purchased the add-on (and don't intend to, either).

[castorp345]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

Any captain worth his salt, who found the Ship Identification Manual (ONI whatever version) not correct in it's published figures would have his tale heard back at headquarters as soon as he got back!!

'just like the way BUORD listened to all the report-backs about the torpedo troubles... they sure were quick in remedying those problems that everyone was complaining about.
god bless military efficiency!
:p

[CapnScurvy]

DrBeast, get back to your school work!!!

You'll learn nothing here by drinking this demon rum!!!

[DrBeast]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

DrBeast, get back to your school work!!!

You'll learn nothing here by drinking this demon rum!!!

Actually, it's laboratory research
And hey, if a Beast won't drink the demon rum, who will?