SH4 - post 1.2 status: A Plan of Action

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Jungman

I think simply another route. Give us the tools by Ubisoft from the devs to change the hardcoded data and such. Is that what a SDK is?:p

Let us fans with computer skill do the work. Labor of love for the game. It really is the best way than a lawsuit.

That works too. However I doubt that Ubisoft will release the SDK if there's any potential at all for another Silent Hunter game.

[AVGWarhawk]

However I doubt that Ubisoft will release the SDK if there's any potential at all for another Silent Hunter game.

As far as SH4 was handled, I do not see potential for this series to go on. If they are simply refusing to fix this game or just ignoring it, the possibilities for more in the series looks very remote. A refund is fine but I would much rather have the game fixed. Probably cost a whole lot less also!

[OlegM]

You guys far far FAR overestimate your (or should I say our since I am member of this "club" too) importance.

This game got solid reviews and for all I can say sold as much as SH3. Mr Yves Guillemot is probably too busy to ever read any of your mails, and if he does so, he'll see a spreadsheet with sales results of 100s of UbiSoft games (majority of which are for consoles anyway) conclude that SH4 is one smallllllllllliiiisssshhhhhhh micro-number on that list. Then he'll throw your mail(s) into recycle bin. (That's what I would do anyway.)

Perhaps he'll decide to spend next 5 minutes Googling the net to see SH4 reviews, and he'll actually find very nice reviews, averaging above 80%! Next, he'll conculde - rightfully IMO - that he's dealing with a bunch of wackos, who for some reason don't like 80+% game and again, throw the mail(s) into Recycle bin.

Get real people.

Besides, I like the game and think it's better than SH3 in all aspects

[castorp345]

Originally Posted by OlegM

You guys far far FAR overestimate your (or should I say our since I am member of this "club" too) importance.
...

he'll throw your mail(s) into recycle bin.

undoubtedly you're correct, but let's just say that for my piece of "wacko" consumer mind at least i'd like to know that i did everything that it's in my "overestimate[d]" power to do to get this thing to where it ought to have been upon initial release.

Besides, I like the game and think it's better than SH3 in all aspects

i agree, but that doesn't preclude the fact that it has several key flaws which arguably constitute it as being "broken"...

but who's to say that M. Guillemot doesn't take an interest in the products his comapny sells? i realize of course what a long-shot it is (especially being somewhat familiar with 'typical' French business mentality), but better to have made an effort and failed than never to have tried at all!

[Beery]

Originally Posted by OlegM

Next, he'll conculde - rightfully IMO - that he's dealing with a bunch of wackos, who for some reason don't like 80+% game and again, throw the mail(s) into Recycle bin.

As long as I get the game fixed or my refund I'll be happy. I really don't care if Yves Guillemot or you think I'm a wacko. Personally I reckon that anyone defending Ubisoft's decision to stop patching SH4 is a wacko, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by Beery

Personally I reckon that anyone defending Ubisoft's decision to stop patching SH4 is a wacko, but that's just me.

You're not alone.


signed in advance, if this turns into a petition.

[OlegM]

Originally Posted by Beery

As long as I get the game fixed or my refund I'll be happy. I really don't care if Yves Guillemot or you think I'm a wacko. Personally I reckon that anyone defending Ubisoft's decision to stop patching SH4 is a wacko, but that's just me.

I am not defending their decision to stop patching anything (BTW you speak of this "decision" as if it's the historic fact :hmm: ).

I am merely observing that harassing highly positioned Ubisoft executives with emails and threatening with lawsuits will only make them laugh (if EVEN THAT is not overestimating the reaction these mails will produce).

Face it. SH4 got very very solid reviews (by me, as well - 87%). Why would people like Yves get concerned? Because handful of rivet counters think the radar in the game does not work 100% correct? Come on. Why should he care, in fact why should anyone outside "our" micro-small club care?

Hell most players don't care about patches and play the game on 0% realism. Someone, I think AVGWarhawk made a good anecdotal post about that.

"We" who care about the game make like 0,0001% of Ubisoft customers, we are not in a position to threat, hell we're not even in a position to beg. That's how small we are. The one thing we CAN do is stop making laughable posts on this board.

[Beery]

I realise that denial is part of the process of accepting that we've been screwed, but this is ridiculous.

As for us not being in a position to threaten, we buy the games. Plus we have certain heavy-duty rights as consumers. If we don't have the ultimate power who does?

[CaptainCox]

Wow!..how come they have taken a decision like that? money, time?
Not normal for a game of this caliber, to stop patching after 2 month of a release...is it. OK its not HALO bleeding 5 or something but SH is still a big franchise as a SIM compared to other SIM's.....or is it a marketing trick...I wonder...

Well if it comes to the worst we have to demand a SDK!

[joea]

Originally Posted by Beery

It IS an historical fact. As I understand it the devs are putting their case to the suits to release another patch. As things stand the decision has been made to stop further patching. The decision can be reversed but the dev team have to plead for the reversal.

I realise that denial is part of the process of accepting that we've been screwed, but this is ridiculous.

As for us not being in a position to threaten, we buy the games. Plus we have certain heavy-duty rights as consumers. If we don't have the ultimate power who does?

Right I belong to the camp that wants another patch ... 100% but tell me how do you know this for a fact? Has there been an open, clear announcement that there won't be another patch? If so point me to it please.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Beery

As for us not being in a position to threaten, we buy the games. Plus we have certain heavy-duty rights as consumers. If we don't have the ultimate power who does?

Yeh, you bought the game and it works. You can install it, start it and play it. So it works. That's pretty much the only thing Ubi has to care if they sell a game. There's no law to force them to patch the game. Some features are broken, yes, but if someone would sue Ubi over that or demand their money back, all they'd have to do is say "We meant it that way".

So, no we are not in the position to threaten them.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by OlegM

You guys far far FAR overestimate your (or should I say our since I am member of this "club" too) importance. <snip>

I don't understand this attitude. So you're saying doing nothing is better than doing something. If that something turns out to be futile then so be it, but at least we tried to stand up for ourselves.

Your apathy and defeatist attitude is part of the problem. As long as people such as yourself believe there's nothing we can do about it nothing will be done about it and we'll continue to be fed these lackluster games. If you want to be a doormat, fine, but get out of the way of people that don't.

[DS]

There is no sense in developers making simlulations for communities that are just going to demand refunds if they can't have everything they want.

I for one do NOT want a refund, because implicit in the "refund" approach is returning the product that is being refunded, and I do not care to part with my SH4, whatever it's state.

I will encourage continued support by promising future purchases if I am satisfied, not be reversing the purchase process through refund.