Who Started World War II?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Absolutely.
An investigation was also carried out on this point.

Then you're obviously out of kilter with those primary authorities which are far more knowledgeable:

On 6 June 2004, at the commemorative ceremony of the Normandy invasion in Caen, German chancellor Gerhard Schröder pledged that Germany would not forget the Nazi atrocities and specifically mentioned Oradour-sur-Glane.

On 4 September 2013, German president Joachim Gauck and French president François Hollande visited the ghost village of Oradour-sur-Glane. A joint news conference broadcast by the two leaders followed their tour of the site. This was the first time a German president had come to the site of one of the biggest World War II massacres on French soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradou...Glane_massacre

There are many sources out there should your conscience ever allow you to open your eyes and mind and enter the reality of the actual real world.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

There are many sources out there should your conscience ever allow you to open your eyes and mind and enter the reality of the actual real world.

As I like to say : how the winners have treated Germany in 1918 was dismal and shameful. But that was even worse in 1945.

History is written by the winners, not by the losers. So the truth has to be established, and we have to work on historical facts and evidence. And sorry, the official historians HAVEN'T DONE THEIR JOB. Historians who are doing their job don't have the right to speak, and they are persecuted. Why ? Because it's always a lie that needs to be protected. The truth is sufficient unto itself.

About Oradour-sur-Glane, that's perfectly right that there was a human tragedy here. And no one disputes. But this is how events unfolded that was completely mystified by the French resistance. In particular, the death of women and children can't be attributed to the Germans.

But again, this is off-topic.

[mapuc]

This is a very interesting thread

[Fahnenbohn]

Before starting the subject, I would like to warn the forum's moderators.
There are laws in several countries that are condemning the public expression of some historical researches (Big Brother). So specify me right away what I don't have the right to say here (even if I give proper evidence).

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[Tchocky]

The forum has it's own rules.

Follow those.

Nevermind how many international policemen are hunting you down for speaking the truth.

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

The forum has it's own rules.

Follow those.

Nevermind how many international policemen are hunting you down for speaking the truth.

What you don't understand, sir, is that Fahnenbohn is living in France. I don't know the specifics of the french laws in question, but in several countries in Europe, France included, he could be jailed for even broaching a discussion of certain taboo subjects. What are the bastards afraid of?

Thank God I live in the United States where the 1st Amendment of the Constitution still reigns! (Well, sort of)

[mapuc]

In my countries Denmark and Sweden we have total free speech

If a person belief and try to convince other that Holocaust was a fake the person has the right to do so.


I guess I'm like the majority here at Subsim- been brainwashed by the winning side(the Allied) I can't wait for what I have missed.

Markus

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by mapuc

In my countries Denmark and Sweden we have total free speech

If a person belief and try to convince other that Holocaust was a fake the person has the right to do so.


I guess I'm like the majority here at Subsim- been brainwashed by the winning side(the Allied) I can't wait for what I have missed.

Markus

I should have been more specific. Laws in France, Germany, and Austria.
Maybe a few other places also that have slipped my mind.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Joefour

What you don't understand, sir, is that Fahnenbohn is living in France.

I do know about the French laws. I think they're ridiculous but that's another conversation.

I'm not taking him very seriously because of the rather hilarious persecution complex going on throughout the thread, which is par for the course for the kind of these kind of people.

Those laws do a lot of damage because instead of standing up and being ridiculed for their ludicrous beliefs these sorts can pretend that Big Brother is stifling the truth.

As we can see here.

Thank God I live in the United States where the 1st Amendment of the Constitution still reigns! (Well, sort of)

It's the first one for a reason

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I do know about the French laws. I think they're ridiculous but that's another conversation.

I'm not taking him very seriously because of the rather hilarious persecution complex going on throughout the thread, which is par for the course for the kind of these kind of people.

Those laws do a lot of damage because instead of standing up and being ridiculed for their ludicrous beliefs these sorts can pretend that Big Brother is stifling the truth.

As we can see here.



It's the first one for a reason

You don't have the power to put him in prison, but his government does.
Listen to what he has to say and if you disagree with him, then prove him wrong, IF you want an open and honest discussion. Ridiculing someone's statements with words like "ludicrous" or "conspiracy theories" borders on an AD HOMINEM attack-and that is an argument that has failed for the attacker.

I will quote one Fahnenbohn's countrymen, Voltaire--"I disagree with what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by August

Well I question whether merely broaching a subject can actually get someone jailed but I guess it all depends on how it's broached right?

Not at all. Here in France, it's literally forbidden to express our opinions on certain historical subjects. Even historians are brought to justice. There is an OFFICIAL thesis (based on a contradictory story, by the bye), and you MUST believe in it.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Those laws do a lot of damage because instead of standing up and being ridiculed for their ludicrous beliefs these sorts can pretend that Big Brother is stifling the truth.

Yes, exactly. But it is the only way to prevent a debate to take place.
If revisionist thesis on Jews' extermination were wrong, it would be easy for historians to organize a debate in which they would eventually ridicule the liars. But what happens is the opposite ! The revisionist historians are asking for a debate for years, and the only answer is always : this historical fact is incontestable. So I say : we have the right to request proof of the official historians' competence prior to believe them. They have to debate... but now, it is forbidden ... strange, isn't it ?

[August]

Originally Posted by Joefour

What you don't understand, sir, is that Fahnenbohn is living in France. I don't know the specifics of the french laws in question, but in several countries in Europe, France included, he could be jailed for even broaching a discussion of certain taboo subjects. What are the bastards afraid of?

Well I question whether merely broaching a subject can actually get someone jailed but I guess it all depends on how it's broached right? However in regards to laws like say Germany's ban on the swastika and other nazi symbols I see them as flawed strategies to marginalize the still alive and increasingly powerful European fascist movement.