Who Started World War II?

[mapuc]

This is a very interesting thread

[Fahnenbohn]

Before starting the subject, I would like to warn the forum's moderators.
There are laws in several countries that are condemning the public expression of some historical researches (Big Brother). So specify me right away what I don't have the right to say here (even if I give proper evidence).

*

[Tchocky]

The forum has it's own rules.

Follow those.

Nevermind how many international policemen are hunting you down for speaking the truth.

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

The forum has it's own rules.

Follow those.

Nevermind how many international policemen are hunting you down for speaking the truth.

What you don't understand, sir, is that Fahnenbohn is living in France. I don't know the specifics of the french laws in question, but in several countries in Europe, France included, he could be jailed for even broaching a discussion of certain taboo subjects. What are the bastards afraid of?

Thank God I live in the United States where the 1st Amendment of the Constitution still reigns! (Well, sort of)

[mapuc]

In my countries Denmark and Sweden we have total free speech

If a person belief and try to convince other that Holocaust was a fake the person has the right to do so.


I guess I'm like the majority here at Subsim- been brainwashed by the winning side(the Allied) I can't wait for what I have missed.

Markus

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Joefour

What you don't understand, sir, is that Fahnenbohn is living in France.

I do know about the French laws. I think they're ridiculous but that's another conversation.

I'm not taking him very seriously because of the rather hilarious persecution complex going on throughout the thread, which is par for the course for the kind of these kind of people.

Those laws do a lot of damage because instead of standing up and being ridiculed for their ludicrous beliefs these sorts can pretend that Big Brother is stifling the truth.

As we can see here.

Thank God I live in the United States where the 1st Amendment of the Constitution still reigns! (Well, sort of)

It's the first one for a reason

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by mapuc

In my countries Denmark and Sweden we have total free speech

If a person belief and try to convince other that Holocaust was a fake the person has the right to do so.


I guess I'm like the majority here at Subsim- been brainwashed by the winning side(the Allied) I can't wait for what I have missed.

Markus

I should have been more specific. Laws in France, Germany, and Austria.
Maybe a few other places also that have slipped my mind.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Joefour

I should have been more specific. Laws in France, Germany, and Austria.
Maybe a few other places also that have slipped my mind.

My father is from Germany so I know there are some restriction in that country.

Markus

[Sailor Steve]

First of all, as I've said more that once, this thread is about the claim that it was Britain and not Germany who started the war. Anything beyond that is off-topic, and I'll see that it's excluded and removed. So far no one has really debated this subject except the OP. Disagree if you like, but provide evidence to back up whatever you say. As for anything beyond that, my own personal ruling will be NO.

If Neal decides on a specific waiver to allow the thread to go beyond that in this one instance, then the more sensitive subjects will be discussed. If that doesn't happen, then I won't allow it.

I have my own ideas on the subject, but since we already have one moderator involved someone has to stay objective and actually moderate, and that leaves me.



[edit] Also, if it hasn't been apparent already, I plan to keep a very tight lid and a very tight grip on this. If you have a claim, be prepared to prove it. If your claim is that someone else's claim is wrong, prove it or don't say it.

[Joefour]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I do know about the French laws. I think they're ridiculous but that's another conversation.

I'm not taking him very seriously because of the rather hilarious persecution complex going on throughout the thread, which is par for the course for the kind of these kind of people.

Those laws do a lot of damage because instead of standing up and being ridiculed for their ludicrous beliefs these sorts can pretend that Big Brother is stifling the truth.

As we can see here.



It's the first one for a reason

You don't have the power to put him in prison, but his government does.
Listen to what he has to say and if you disagree with him, then prove him wrong, IF you want an open and honest discussion. Ridiculing someone's statements with words like "ludicrous" or "conspiracy theories" borders on an AD HOMINEM attack-and that is an argument that has failed for the attacker.

I will quote one Fahnenbohn's countrymen, Voltaire--"I disagree with what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by mapuc

My father is from Germany so I know there are some restriction in that country.

Surprising, isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Joefour

I will quote one Fahnenbohn's countrymen, Voltaire--"I disagree with what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Joefour

...

Well said, and it should be obvious that I feel pretty much the same.

Just to make it doubly clear, in this particular case I plan to enforce it to the hilt. This will be a scholarly debate, and anything going beyond that from this point on will be deleted if I feel it necessary. This one won't get out of hand, because I'll close it if I think it's going too far.

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Also, if it hasn't been apparent already, I plan to keep a very tight lid and a very tight grip on this. If you have a claim, be prepared to prove it. If your claim is that someone else's claim is wrong, prove it or don't say it.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Just to make it doubly clear, in this particular case I plan to enforce it to the hilt. This will be a scholarly debate, and anything going beyond that from this point on will be deleted if I feel it necessary.

I totally agree with that.

[mapuc]

I'm going to follow Steve's advise and put my posting on hold. Going to follow the thread to see what kind of prof Fahnenbohn has.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by Joefour

What you don't understand, sir, is that Fahnenbohn is living in France. I don't know the specifics of the french laws in question, but in several countries in Europe, France included, he could be jailed for even broaching a discussion of certain taboo subjects. What are the bastards afraid of?

Well I question whether merely broaching a subject can actually get someone jailed but I guess it all depends on how it's broached right? However in regards to laws like say Germany's ban on the swastika and other nazi symbols I see them as flawed strategies to marginalize the still alive and increasingly powerful European fascist movement.