Poland co-responsible for WW2 apparently...According to Russia!

Originally Posted by August

Sure there is.

Would those Russian soldiers have been able to rape all those German women if the nazis hadn't started the war?

It is not a question of being able - it is a question of right and wrong and that the crimes of the Nazis have nothing to do with anyone raping someone.

Their job was to defeat Nazi Germany - they did that.
Their job was not to rape civilians.
It is as simple as that August (and Andy).
One thing (war, invasion, occupation, ...) does not justify the other.
And by the logic you both apply, you just again underline what I said earlier.

"She dressed sexy, getting raped was partially her fault."
"The Nazis did bad things, their civilians getting raped was partially their fault."

I am uncertain if I can make this any more obvious or clear, so I will simply leave it at that.

[August]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

It is not a question of being able - it is a question of right and wrong and that the crimes of the Nazis have nothing to do with anyone raping someone.

Their job was to defeat Nazi Germany - they did that.
Their job was not to rape civilians.
It is as simple as that August (and Andy).
One thing (war, invasion, occupation, ...) does not justify the other.
And by the logic you both apply, you just again underline what I said earlier.

"She dressed sexy, getting raped was partially her fault."
"The Nazis did bad things, their civilians getting raped was partially their fault."

I am uncertain if I can make this any more obvious or clear, so I will simply leave it at that.

You keep trying to twist what we're saying into something else.

Nobody is trying to justify or minimize the Russians actions one bit. The Russians are no less guilty of their crimes regardless whether we also blame the nazis for creating the chaos that resulted in these situations being able to flourish.

You'll also note that it's nazis that we're talking about, not Germans and certainly not German rape victims. If you think the nazis should be given a pass for creating the chaos and horrors of war you'll not find much support for that theory.

[Betonov]

Should we condemn the rapes: yes
Should we be surprised by them: no

The eastern front was barbarism. How many sovet soldiers came from the occupied areas when they fell back as the Germans advanced and when they retook the area they learned their family was executed to make room rof the german lebensraum. And not only their own family, but your comrades families.

They were turned into animals. Humans have self controls, animals don't.
Nazis on the other hand were not animals. They had method, self control over atrocities. They were monsters.

What would be the the situation if this war wouldn't have been a war of extermination but a WW1 style to force an enemy to yield. Not a war started by monters and making animals.

[ikalugin]

Solzhenitsyn, anon officer, anon telephone operator. They sound like credible witneses. Surely Solzhenitsyn won't ever lie (nor would people make up accounts of anons for political convenience), as he had no zero anti-Soviet bias nor never inflated his own figures of political repression in the USSR.

The eastern front was barbarism. How many sovet soldiers came from the occupied areas when they fell back as the Germans advanced and when they retook the area they learned their family was executed to make room rof the german lebensraum. And not only their own family, but your comrades families.

I think that around 2m people have returned from "irrecoverable" losses (ie taken prisoner, dead and missing) during the course of war.

[Oberon]

STOP



There is nothing to see here comrade, move along please.

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Solzhenitsyn, anon officer, anon telephone operator. They sound like credible witneses. Surely Solzhenitsyn won't ever lie (nor would people make up accounts of anons for political convenience), as he had no zero anti-Soviet bias nor never inflated his own figures of political repression in the USSR.


I think that around 2m people have returned from "irrecoverable" losses (ie taken prisoner, dead and missing) during the course of war.

Mh, why oh why did I expect that you would simply say good old Solzhy' is a dirty liar and all the others too?

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