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Old 10-16-14, 01:24 PM   #1
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Be fair, when Iraq was gassing the now noble and heroic kurds you could say that a hell of a lot of these wmds came courtesy of American assistance, but I think it is a stretch to say "most" of them did.

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Thanks, Tribesman...

When I said "most", I thought it would be understood that, directly or indirectly, the pre-'Iraqi Freedom' stockpiles of WMDs were the result of US either directly supplying completed weapons, the components for the weapons, or technical knowledge and/or support for the manufacture of the weapons. Not every WMD used against the Kurds was stamped "Made in USA", but the US was highly complicit and directly or indirectly responsible for Iraq having such weapons. It is known that the US, via third parties and intermediaries, also saw to it Saddam got what he wanted/needed as long as he played ball with the then US interests. It is not a stretch to say, without US backing and support, Saddam would probably not have gained power, and, if he had, he would not have been able to sustain his reign...


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Old 10-16-14, 05:57 PM   #2
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Dunno why people are surprised. The US has never treated its vets well. We always prefer our heroes dead. You can honour them cheaply and be done with it.
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Old 10-16-14, 06:06 PM   #3
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It's sickening when you see the likes of Bush, Cheney, etc., claiming to be such lovers of the military, then say F them when politics get involved. It's always the political image that comes first.

Wait until IS drives a dirty bomb with such weapons into downtown Baghdad..
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Old 10-16-14, 08:39 PM   #4
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Dunno why people are surprised. The US has never treated its vets well. We always prefer our heroes dead.
Not always.


Some people working for US colleges prefer them brain damaged, so they can easily manipulate them into giving the Colleges money
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Old 10-16-14, 09:17 PM   #5
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Dunno why people are surprised. The US has never treated its vets well. We always prefer our heroes dead. You can honour them cheaply and be done with it.
Just curious, which country treats it's veterans better than the US?
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Old 10-17-14, 08:41 PM   #6
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Just curious, which country treats it's veterans better than the US?
Not sure that matters or is even pertinent to the discussion.

The US can be better than any other country and it would still be a disgrace and the US can be the worst and again, still a disgrace.

It is not about relative comparison with other countries, it is about an absolute measure of care and its results.
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Not sure that matters or is even pertinent to the discussion.

The US can be better than any other country and it would still be a disgrace and the US can be the worst and again, still a disgrace.

It is not about relative comparison with other countries, it is about an absolute measure of care and its results.
I understand your point but I think that you set the disgrace bar kinda high. While it could certainly be improved best in the world and best in human history is hardly disgraceful.
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While it could certainly be improved best in the world and best in human history is hardly disgraceful.
Yeah, but the treatment some American veterans receive is hardly the best. Just look at the example of how College administrations view brain-damaged veterans as just an easy source of money.
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Yeah, but the treatment some American veterans receive is hardly the best. Just look at the example of how College administrations view brain-damaged veterans as just an easy source of money.
Ok Ok, This is the second time you mentioned this. I am sure there is some conspiracy theory you would like to share with us.

Go ahead.
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Wait - according to "some" people here - there were no WMD's....

Of course - knowing they were real and there doesn't change anything in many people's minds, now does it?
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