beginner question on how to increase the target confidence level

[FPSchazly]

Originally Posted by tirta

@banryu79
@FPSchazly
Wow, you have lots of interesting dw videos on youtube.
Thanks for uploading all of them.
I am going to start watching your tutorials first.

Thanks! I hope you enjoy

Originally Posted by banryu79

You are welcome, tirta.
Well, try to think about it: raising your esm antenna or your periscope out of the water surface what kind of consequences could have? The most obvious ones are that they could be detected by radar, for example.

Then, if you think more about it you could realize that in order to stick the antenna/radar/periscope out of the water you first need to take your sub very near the water surface... If the weather is good, in daylight hours, someone on an airplane/helo could see the sub silhouette... (I do not know if this is modeled in DW but I like to think in this way... ).

And that's more: coming to shallow waters could means that you are (for example) forced to come above the layer (if there is one) if you were running under it with all the consequences of the case.

Another consideration: in daylight hours periscope/esm could be detected visually, too.
So it is more risky to stick them out then during nighttime.

If they will be detected or not depends on many factors, like the weather(clear/rough sea), range to nearest enemy platform, how long you keep them out in plain view and so on...

As you understand, using them can get you an almost instant ID of a surface contact but it also brings home some risks. So, it is your job as a skipper to weight the risks/benefits aspects and factor them into your current tactical situation to come to a conclusion about what to do or don't do

Yeah, I dunno if these things make a difference, either. I feel like someone might be able to get a visual track on a periscope but I don't think I've ever experienced a mast being detected by radar. Either way, I do try and play with respect to the real-life considerations you listed just to make it more fun and interesting

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by FPSchazly

Yeah, I dunno if these things make a difference, either. I feel like someone might be able to get a visual track on a periscope but I don't think I've ever experienced a mast being detected by radar. Either way, I do try and play with respect to the real-life considerations you listed just to make it more fun and interesting

Indeed. I remeber that I have found a post in a thread in the DW section of this forum where I red that periscope/esm/masts are not visually detectable...
But who cares? *I* think they are and play accordingly.

However, I also remember that there is (in the game) a "real" adverse consequence about running your submarine with one or more mast raised, something along the line of generating more noise...

[tirta]

Thanks for all the information, banryu79 & FPSchazly.
I learn a lot by reading your replies.

I have just found out that seawolf and 688 have 2 towed arrays.
Do I need to use both of them or one is enough?

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by tirta

I have just found out that seawolf and 688 have 2 towed arrays.
Do I need to use both of them or one is enough?

Don't know about the SeaWolf, I have always used the 688(i) as a platform, till now.

I cannot speak for stock DW, as I play with LWAMI.
In the 688 the two TA are different: one (don't remember if port or starboard) is the "thin" array the other the "broad" one.

The "thin" array is "more sensible" and that means it could potentially detect contacts at greater range and it will wash out at a lower speed than the "broad" one. So the choice of which one to listent to in a given moment depends on the tactical situation at hand. You can stream both of them, if you want, and then switch to the choosen one in the "navigation" screen before going to the broadband/narrowband TA screen.

[FPSchazly]

Originally Posted by banryu79

Don't know about the SeaWolf, I have always used the 688(i) as a platform, till now.

I cannot speak for stock DW, as I play with LWAMI.
In the 688 the two TA are different: one (don't remember if port or starboard) is the "thin" array the other the "broad" one.

The "thin" array is "more sensible" and that means it could potentially detect contacts at greater range and it will wash out at a lower speed than the "broad" one. So the choice of which one to listent to in a given moment depends on the tactical situation at hand. You can stream both of them, if you want, and then switch to the choosen one in the "navigation" screen before going to the broadband/narrowband TA screen.

OK, that might be different in LWAMI. In stock DW, both 688I toweds are the same and it's the Seawolf that has the 'thin' and 'thick' towed arrays.

In that case, in stock DW, the starboard array on the Seawolf is the more sensitive one (TB-29). I think that's the default one. 'Stream the starboard towed array. Helm, aye,' sounds more common to me than the port array lol

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by banryu79

...You can stream both of them, if you want, and then switch to the choosen one in the "navigation" screen before going to the broadband/narrowband TA screen.

Seriously!?! I can have both of them without reeling in the one that I am not using?

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by Pisces

Seriously!?! I can have both of them without reeling in the one that I am not using?

Err... yes, sir.

I too had doubts about it and wondered if it was at all possible so I made the most simple thing to test it: tryed and streamed one TA, then the other one: it worked!
AFAIR I had this doubt because the manual section about the 688(i) platform says something along the line that you cannot stream both the TA... They obviousy meant to say you cannot stream both of them at the same time in the sense that the streaming mechanism can be attached to only one TA at time (I think, it make sense)... but you can surely have both the TA layed out. They choose a sligthly misleading way to explain it, I think.

[tirta]

I have tried using both of them in 688,
so yes, banryu79 is correct.