Indonesia shuts down military cooperation with Australia over phone tapping

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TarJak

I agree which is why I disagree with the bleating about apologies. No other state, indonesia included, is likely to apologise or even admit that active monitoring is going on.

The over reaction is understandable as the indonesians have electrons coming up.

It gets up my nose when people here want to pander to our neighbours to stay in their good books instead of standing by what we do and telling the neighbours where to stick their protests. This is probably why I'm not a diplomat.

Agreed

[Cybermat47]

I can understand the Indonesians feeling betrayed. After all, if somebody offered to dump thousands of refugees who might have terrorists among them on my shores, I would place my trust in them.

Wait, am I thinking of Malaysia?

[TarJak]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-2...letter/5118518


SBY has his private letter from Abbott and responds in the media.

My read is we'll sign up for restrictions on our intelligence gathering in Indonesia, which the intelligence community will likely ignore and we'll be back to spying as normal.

Loopholes are stock and trade in these sorts of agreements.

[Jimbuna]

Tell him to go and play with the fairies.

[Catfish]

One thing to gather intelligence.
Another thing to spy aggressively.
A third thing this happening among so-called friends.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Catfish

One thing to gather intelligence.
Another thing to spy aggressively.
A third thing this happening among so-called friends.

All three have been methods used by states since well there was more than one state.In other words for at least 8,000 years this game has been playing out nothing new to see here.

And it is not just states companies spy on each other all the time and have for years.

[Catfish]

True .. but the scope of this new spying is a completely different animal.
And you seem to thoroughly underestimate the impact on the rest of the non-anglo-saxon world, or better the view towards this kind and scope of spying.
Yes all do now know you give a sh.. about that rest, but this does not really change their view. For some this kind of behaviour is still lower than prostitution. Not to insult the latter

Originally Posted by TarJak

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-2...letter/5118518


SBY has his private letter from Abbott and responds in the media.

My read is we'll sign up for restrictions on our intelligence gathering in Indonesia, which the intelligence community will likely ignore and we'll be back to spying as normal.

Loopholes are stock and trade in these sorts of agreements.

Soooo are the Indonesians going to agree and abide by the same "Code" or is that just for us? ,haven't anything mentioned about them holding to the same standards.

As Tarjack says ,it'll be business as usual soon ,us spying on them and them spying on us! - probably right after their elections are over.