Indonesia shuts down military cooperation with Australia over phone tapping

TarJak · 11-21-13, 04:03 PM

I agree which is why I disagree with the bleating about apologies. No other state, indonesia included, is likely to apologise or even admit that active monitoring is going on.

The over reaction is understandable as the indonesians have electrons coming up.

It gets up my nose when people here want to pander to our neighbours to stay in their good books instead of standing by what we do and telling the neighbours where to stick their protests. This is probably why I'm not a diplomat.

11-21-13, 04:14 PM

Hello?
Headquarters?
Yes, I'd like to report Spying by the Down Under Peoples.

CONTACT TERMINATED!!!!!

We Down Under Peoples deny this unfounded allegation!

My mistake!
Carry on. Nothing to see here.

P.S.
We don't 'Spy'. We 'investigate'.

Jimbuna · 11-21-13, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

I agree which is why I disagree with the bleating about apologies. No other state, indonesia included, is likely to apologise or even admit that active monitoring is going on.

The over reaction is understandable as the indonesians have electrons coming up.

It gets up my nose when people here want to pander to our neighbours to stay in their good books instead of standing by what we do and telling the neighbours where to stick their protests. This is probably why I'm not a diplomat.

Agreed

Cybermat47 · 11-21-13, 05:34 PM

I can understand the Indonesians feeling betrayed. After all, if somebody offered to dump thousands of refugees who might have terrorists among them on my shores, I would place my trust in them.

Wait, am I thinking of Malaysia?

TarJak · 11-26-13, 04:00 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-2...letter/5118518

SBY has his private letter from Abbott and responds in the media.

My read is we'll sign up for restrictions on our intelligence gathering in Indonesia, which the intelligence community will likely ignore and we'll be back to spying as normal.

Loopholes are stock and trade in these sorts of agreements.

Jimbuna · 11-26-13, 04:09 PM

Tell him to go and play with the fairies.

Catfish · 11-26-13, 04:32 PM

One thing to gather intelligence.
Another thing to spy aggressively.
A third thing this happening among so-called friends.

Stealhead · 11-26-13, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

One thing to gather intelligence.
Another thing to spy aggressively.
A third thing this happening among so-called friends.

All three have been methods used by states since well there was more than one state.In other words for at least 8,000 years this game has been playing out nothing new to see here.

And it is not just states companies spy on each other all the time and have for years.

11-26-13, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-2...letter/5118518

SBY has his private letter from Abbott and responds in the media.

My read is we'll sign up for restrictions on our intelligence gathering in Indonesia, which the intelligence community will likely ignore and we'll be back to spying as normal.

Loopholes are stock and trade in these sorts of agreements.

Soooo are the Indonesians going to agree and abide by the same "Code" or is that just for us? ,haven't anything mentioned about them holding to the same standards.

As Tarjack says ,it'll be business as usual soon ,us spying on them and them spying on us! - probably right after their elections are over.

11-21-13, 05:34 PM	#4
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,408 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 23	I can understand the Indonesians feeling betrayed. After all, if somebody offered to dump thousands of refugees who might have terrorists among them on my shores, I would place my trust in them. Wait, am I thinking of Malaysia? __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394

11-26-13, 04:09 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,615 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Tell him to go and play with the fairies. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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11-21-13, 04:03 PM	#1
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	I agree which is why I disagree with the bleating about apologies. No other state, indonesia included, is likely to apologise or even admit that active monitoring is going on. The over reaction is understandable as the indonesians have electrons coming up. It gets up my nose when people here want to pander to our neighbours to stay in their good books instead of standing by what we do and telling the neighbours where to stick their protests. This is probably why I'm not a diplomat.

11-21-13, 04:14 PM	#2
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hello? Headquarters? Yes, I'd like to report Spying by the Down Under Peoples. CONTACT TERMINATED!!!!! We Down Under Peoples deny this unfounded allegation! My mistake! Carry on. Nothing to see here. P.S. We don't 'Spy'. We 'investigate'.

11-26-13, 04:00 PM	#5
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-2...letter/5118518 SBY has his private letter from Abbott and responds in the media. My read is we'll sign up for restrictions on our intelligence gathering in Indonesia, which the intelligence community will likely ignore and we'll be back to spying as normal. Loopholes are stock and trade in these sorts of agreements.

11-26-13, 04:32 PM	#7
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,767 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	One thing to gather intelligence. Another thing to spy aggressively. A third thing this happening among so-called friends.