Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Oberon]

Brains

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Brains

Yeah I know, don't look at me though, I'm not the necromancer.


Although, here's the thing, would you rather gun control threads keep popping up, or have it all contained in one thread? This topic will come up, again, and again and again, because the anti-gun gun people will never, ever give up. Seriously, do you realize that as the senate come back early from recess to debate syria, Senator Murphy (D, CT) , was still throwing gun control out on the senate floor? Seriously, they are there to debate a possible war, and the pundits are still on gun control. That should tell you something.

[Oberon]

Yeah, at least it's in one thread. Still, I can't see anything happening to take away US guns, it's just too engrained in the US culture to ever succeed. Not unless you have some sort of mass civilian uprising which kills thousands, or something like that. The odd school shooting, whilst tragic, is not enough to cause that kind of change, but you're right, that's not going to stop the age old battle.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Yeah, at least it's in one thread. Still, I can't see anything happening to take away US guns, it's just too engrained in the US culture to ever succeed. Not unless you have some sort of mass civilian uprising which kills thousands, or something like that. The odd school shooting, whilst tragic, is not enough to cause that kind of change, but you're right, that's not going to stop the age old battle.

Well, as for taking away guns, they are trying awfully damn hard. Take a look at what is heading to the governors desk in california.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB374

It's the death by a thousand cuts metaphor really. Much of the time, California is the petri dish for gun control. Now combine that with Obama's executive order banning the reimportation of "military style arms". Basically, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, 1903 springfields, etc. No crime that I'm aware of has ever been commited with these rifles. They are mainly collectors pieces, pieces of history, certainly not "assault weapons" but, they're after those too. They take what they can get, and constantly chip away at it.

How much firearms are part of American culture really depends a lot on where you go. The easiest example is California. You combine a democratic super majority, with large metro's and you end up with a population that has the preconception that only crazy people, and criminals own guns; "normal" people don't.

Contrast that to most any "fly over state", and guns are quite normal. Living in california, If i went over to a inlaw's house and said, "Hey man, I got a new rifle! ", they'd probably look at me funny, like i was crazy or something. Living where I do now, I did tell an inlaw exactly that, and the response I got was, "Well, where is it?! You mean you didn't bring it with you?" After that jovial tongue lashing, I ended up driving home (all but 5 mins), and retrieving said rifle so my inlaw could see it.

[soopaman2]

Obama will be gone soon, and no democrat has a chance...

So his empirical edicts will be null.

Take it from a pro gun liberal. (oxymoron, or just a moron?)

American elections always seem to swing from 8 years of one extreme, to 8 years of another.

Why are guns such a popular target to attack, and not addressing where the bulk of the gun deaths stem from. Gang violence, from illeagal arms.

Take everyones guns does nothing, to stop thugs and drug dealers from gaining guns, it puts the legal owner at a disadvantage.

I went through classes to carry, what did Tyrone, and Jose do to carry? Bought it out a car trunk.

But the media never adresses that.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, as for taking away guns, they are trying awfully damn hard. Take a look at what is heading to the governors desk in california.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB374

It's the death by a thousand cuts metaphor really. Much of the time, California is the petri dish for gun control. Now combine that with Obama's executive order banning the reimportation of "military style arms". Basically, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, 1903 springfields, etc. No crime that I'm aware of has ever been commited with these rifles. They are mainly collectors pieces, pieces of history, certainly not "assault weapons" but, they're after those too. They take what they can get, and constantly chip away at it.

How much firearms are part of American culture really depends a lot on where you go. The easiest example is California. You combine a democratic super majority, with large metro's and you end up with a population that has the preconception that only crazy people, and criminals own guns; "normal" people don't.

Contrast that to most any "fly over state", and guns are quite normal. Living in california, If i went over to a inlaw's house and said, "Hey man, I got a new rifle! ", they'd probably look at me funny, like i was crazy or something. Living where I do now, I did tell an inlaw exactly that, and the response I got was, "Well, where is it?! You mean you didn't bring it with you?" After that jovial tongue lashing, I ended up driving home (all but 5 mins), and retrieving said rifle so my inlaw could see it.

Yeah, but what flies in California will never fly in the...errr...'Fly over state' (where does that term come from?), the culture between the coast and inland is so radically different, as you've pointed out, not just in firearms but in many things, trying to impose a nationwide ban would likely fail because half the nation wouldn't agree with the other half.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

..errr...'Fly over state' (where does that term come from?),

I can't say authoritively, but from my experience living in California, it's pretty much the countries interior. Anything between the West and East coast. I think it's more of a derogatory term then anything else, as it implies there is nothing worth seeing or doing there. Just same vast interior where nothing important resides. Something you fly over on your way to where there is something important. It really is a bit of a snobbish term, derived from snobbish attitudes.

edit:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...y-over%20state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyover_country

Basically, M1 Garands, M1 carbines, 1903 springfields, etc. No crime that I'm aware of has ever been commited with these rifles.

Yeah right, lets take a famous one from your neck of the woods that made really big news to make you aware.
What gun did little miss Stockholm syndrome rob the bank with?

[razark]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yeah right, lets take a famous one from your neck of the woods that made really big news to make you aware.
What gun did little miss Stockholm syndrome rob the bank with?

An Iver Johnson commemorative shotgun?

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Yeah, at least it's in one thread. Still, I can't see anything happening to take away US guns, it's just too engrained in the US culture to ever succeed. Not unless you have some sort of mass civilian uprising which kills thousands, or something like that. The odd school shooting, whilst tragic, is not enough to cause that kind of change, but you're right, that's not going to stop the age old battle.

So you whine when there's a bunch of topics on the same subject and you whine when someone tries to keep it to one thread which BTW is already a several thread merge.

Apparently there's just no pleasing you foreigners.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by August

So you whine when there's a bunch of topics on the same subject and you whine when someone tries to keep it to one thread which BTW is already a several thread merge.

Apparently there's just no pleasing you foreigners.

Ignore them August, as they have no bearing on what we want.

They cannot understand certain things, like our attachment to gun, due to the fact they lived all their lives thinking guns were bad.

I lived all my life shooting, and never thought once about turning my gun on a human unless it was in defense of my family. I never wanted to rob anyone, no impulses to murder, yet the legal gun owner is held in the same template as some gang member who buys out of a car trunk.

It is too hard to actually police criminals, they might have to give up the sitting in intersections with thier headlights off to catch speeder ticket revenue, than go after a gangbanger with a gun.

God forbid, they risk their lives, oath or no oath. It is all about the fat pension.

(edit: live one week where I live, I am sure most of you do not have to be careful on what color you wear when walking down the street)

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

They cannot understand certain things,

Mostly likely of course not. Different country, different cultural norms. But it doesn't help any of us to be antagonistic about it. (August.. just sayin' man) The best thing we can do is help them understand by laying out our case in a rational manner and not look like the stereotypes that are pushed by the anti-second amendment crowd.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

But it doesn't help any of us to be antagonistic about it. (August.. just sayin' man)

I was just joking with Oberon which I am sure he knows.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The best thing we can do is help them understand by laying out our case in a rational manner and not look like the stereotypes that are pushed by the anti-second amendment crowd.

Sadly Ducimus, neither foreigners nor the anti-second amendment crowd seem swayed by cold, hard facts. Let's look at our friends across the pond in Great Britain.

England basically "banned" the ownership of handguns in 1997. They made it excessively difficult to own one legally.

In 2001 - the BBC reported that in the following 2 years (all the data that was had at the time), the use of handguns during crimes INCREASED by 40%.

The largest increases - were in the areas where there were less legally owned guns. Those areas with the (still) highest legal gun ownership showed much less increase. In other words - criminals committed a lot more crimes where they knew that the victim was more likely to me unarmed...

Documented, cold, hard facts that gun control does not stop gun crime....
But that doesn't stop the anti-gun lobby.

Sources:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-Dunblane.html
and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

So you whine when there's a bunch of topics on the same subject and you whine when someone tries to keep it to one thread which BTW is already a several thread merge.

Apparently there's just no pleasing you foreigners.

Dang dem forners, gonna tek awae our goons

Originally Posted by Oberon

Yeah, at least it's in one thread. Still, I can't see anything happening to take away US guns, it's just too engrained in the US culture to ever succeed.