someone please explain the 9mm ammo shortage

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

But I have tons of 7.62 for the AK-47 in our basement and we've got a Mosin that fires the 7.62R

You've got an AK-47? Cool

Is the Mosin a sniper/hunting rifle? Forgive me for my ignorance

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

You've got an AK-47? Cool

Is the Mosin a sniper/hunting rifle? Forgive me for my ignorance

It is a bolt action piece. Fairly accurate as a sniper rifle. It can also be used for hunting yes. My cousin owns a Nagant, and it is somewhat comparable to the Garand the US used at the time, though not as accurate, and slightly less ranged, but at 100m, they pretty much do the same to a pumpkin.

(personal experience)

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

You've got an AK-47? Cool

Is the Mosin a sniper/hunting rifle? Forgive me for my ignorance

Mosin's are very popular and have their own following. They are good, solid, bolt action rifles that fire a powerful cartridge from a 5 round internal stripper clip fed magazine. They can be used for both hunting, or sniping i suppose. They are also, as rifles go, incredibly inexpensive. Up until this last month or two, i used to see them all the time for like 179 to 200 some odd dollars. There's just tons of them in the form of russian surplus, but i fear even those are fast disappearing too now. I kinda regret not buying one earlier.

edit:
Video review for cybermat.
Mosin Nagant


Mosin Nagant M44 ( Close-Up )

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Mosin's are very popular and have their own following. They are good, solid, bolt action rifles that fire a powerful cartridge from a 5 round internal stripper clip fed magazine. They can be used for both hunting, or sniping i suppose. They are also, as rifles go, incredibly inexpensive. Up until this last month or two, i used to see them all the time for like 179 to 200 some odd dollars. There's just tons of them in the form of russian surplus, but i fear even those are fast disappearing too now. I kinda regret not buying one earlier.

edit:
Video review for cybermat.
Mosin Nagant


Mosin Nagant M44 ( Close-Up )

If this forum had a kudos system I would award you with one. Since we dont I 'll just quote it and

Mosin is really a fine piece, even after all these years.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

You've got an AK-47? Cool

Is the Mosin a sniper/hunting rifle? Forgive me for my ignorance

AK's are fun as hell to shoot. I haven't shot it in a while. It's my dad's rifle. The only one that's truly mine is the Savage .223 that I posted a while back. I'm not sure what model our Mosin. Is there somewhere I can look to find out which model it is? It is a sniper/hunting type rifle. Also fun to shoot. Two years ago I got to shoot it for the first time. We got a bunch of fruit/melons and set them on tree stumps in the backyard. 7.62 JHP and 7.62R FMJ work wonders when making fruit salad. It really is interesting to see what the FMJ hole looked like. It had splits around the hole from the force. I should've taken a picture.

I just know...that if the apocalypse comes around...hand me an AK and a Mosin. Those are great rifles. Mosin rifles are pretty cheap too. You can pick one up for ~130$ here locally.

[Buddahaid]

Easy just search.
http://russian-mosin-nagant-forum.co..._ID/index.html

[Red October1984]

I'll have to look at the Mosin tomorrow and tell for sure...

I'm thinking it's a Tula M91/30...

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I'll have to look at the Mosin tomorrow and tell for sure...

I'm thinking it's a Tula M91/30...

Did you figure out what you have?

A star with a hammer or a triangle with a star or a hammer inside it was produced at Tula.A star with an arrow or bow and arrow inside it was produced at Izhmash. A date from 1930 up on a rifle with a full size barrel makes it a 91/30.A date of 1938 to 1943 on a carbine makes it an M38( these mounted a removable cruciform bayonet just like the 91/30s).A pre 1938 date on a carbine makes it a "dragoon" but those are very rare in the US.

A date of 1944 or later on a carbine makes it an M44 it may or may not have a folding bayonet still attached.If the M44 has folding bayonet but a date of 1943 then you might have one of the 50,000 test run M44s produced in late 1943 or more likely you have an M38 that at some point had an M44 bayonet attached to it.

If you do not see any of the described markings and no Cyrillic letters you most likely have a Finnish Mosin-Nagant.If yours has the words Westinghouse or Remington you have a very rare rifle produced for the Czar but never shipped due to the 1917 Revolution.These rifles where sold on the US market in the 1920's.Except for the ones the A.E.F. left in Murmansk.

If you see a pre 1917 date you have a much rarer rifle as well look for the Russian eagle stamp.

A little known secret about standard 91/30s(none sniper) that many people are not aware of is that the bayonet actually improves the harmonics of the barrel and makes the rifle more accurate.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Did you figure out what you have?

A star with a hammer or a triangle with a star or a hammer inside it was produced at Tula.A star with an arrow or bow and arrow inside it was produced at Izhmash. A date from 1930 up on a rifle with a full size barrel makes it a 91/30.A date of 1938 to 1943 on a carbine makes it an M38( these mounted a removable cruciform bayonet just like the 91/30s).A pre 1938 date on a carbine makes it a "dragoon" but those are very rare in the US.

A date of 1944 or later on a carbine makes it an M44 it may or may not have a folding bayonet still attached.If the M44 has folding bayonet but a date of 1943 then you might have one of the 50,000 test run M44s produced in late 1943 or more likely you have an M38 that at some point had an M44 bayonet attached to it.

If you do not see any of the described markings and no Cyrillic letters you most likely have a Finnish Mosin-Nagant.If yours has the words Westinghouse or Remington you have a very rare rifle produced for the Czar but never shipped due to the 1917 Revolution.These rifles where sold on the US market in the 1920's.Except for the ones the A.E.F. left in Murmansk.

If you see a pre 1917 date you have a much rarer rifle as well look for the Russian eagle stamp.

According to this post, I have a Izhmash Dragoon rifle in my basement. It has the Tula Marking and was made in 1934.

[TFatseas]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

According to this post, I have a Izhmash Dragoon rifle in my basement. It has the Tula Marking and was made in 1934.

Read to your hearts content.

http://62x54r.net/

Personally I like shooting them and they're not bad for what they are, a boat oar.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

According to this post, I have a Izhmash Dragoon rifle in my basement. It has the Tula Marking and was made in 1934.

It either has a Tula marking or an Izhmash marking it wont have both.an easy way to find out is by looking at the receiver a pre 1942 rifle will have a hexagonal shape in front of the bolt.


I really should not have called the dragoon a carbine because the barrel on those is the same length as a standard 91/30.The original M91 had a 51 inch barrel.If yours has a date of 1934 it has to be a 91/30 because the M38 which is truly a carbine was not in production in 1934.You have an early production 91/30.

You do have a generally higher quality 91/30 though during WWII they started rounding off the receivers to shorten production time.Your dads being pre WWII should have a hexagonal shaped receiver.


http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinID.htm

You should buy at least two Mosin-Nagants a full size 91/30 and a carbine.Then you should also buy an SVT-40 just to have something that most people do not own.

I see the 9mm JHP are reaching an average price of $1.50 per round now

people are just insane to pay such prices.


I saw a post about a guy using snap caps rounds for practicing, is that something that's effective or is it just a matter of not having anything else to shoot?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Webster

I saw a post about a guy using snap caps rounds for practicing, is that something that's effective or is it just a matter of not having anything else to shoot?

About the only good that would do that I'm aware of is trigger control.

[Armistead]

Glad I stocked up.

I was open carrying today and got stopped by a rookie cop why metal detecting posted private { with permission) next to a park. This is becoming laughable, you would think people that say I'm in the park would realize I'm on posted private land two hundred yards from the edge of the park. Not to mention, old park on bad side of town that only drunks hang out in.

He did OK, although it peod him that I wouldn't give him ID, name, nothing. I think his supervisor rather enjoyed it, course he knows who I am.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Webster

I saw a post about a guy using snap caps rounds for practicing, is that something that's effective or is it just a matter of not having anything else to shoot?

Most, if not all, guns don't like being dry-fired (trigger pulled and hammer dropped on an empty chamber. In some guns it is a prime way to break a firing pin.

A snap cap allows the firing pin to hit something so it does not slam forward and potentially fracture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_cap