Waitress fired after posting controversial pastor receipt

[vienna]

I always tip well for services that are rendered well. I also make an effort to be very nice to wait staff; I would kind of like it if, at the end of the day, the person I was nice to thought, "Wow, what a hard day, but, you know there was that one nice customer..."...

I bartended at a rock club here in Hollywood in the mid-70s and had to suffer through the ego trips of many patrons, among them some celebrities, who seemed to think the world owed them everything for just being there. There were some good moments such as when a few members of Sha-Na-Na (!) came into the club. They were rather ill-treated by some of the "too cool for the room" rock wannabes in the club but, just after they left, their manager came back into the club and presented me with a $100 tip on behalf of the guys and said they thanked me for being nice to them during their visit. Back in the 70s, $100 was a goodly amount of money and I was happy to recieve the tip. Another person who was a bit of a regular was Keith Moon. He always came in and was just a great friend to everyone who worked at the club. He would always ask how I was doing and he really was sincere in asking. Once when I took a turn at running the door, there was was an altercation I was involved in and the manager and bouncer both grabbed the guy I had the hassle with and shoved him out the door and gave him a good thrashing. As I was trying to restore some order at the door, Moon suddenly appeared at my side, rolling up his sleeves, saying "I heard there was a fight, do you need any help?" I told him it was basically over and he asked if I was OK, and when I sais "Yes", he said just to let him know if there was any further problems and went back to his table in the club. When Moon went back to England, just before he left, he dropped by the club and gave each of the employees a gift as a thank you for treating him so well...

Those were things done by people who didn't have to do what they did and there were others who were just as nice and I remember them wll even after nearly 40 years. That's why I remember how I felt and when I am someplace where there is wait staff or bartenders, I try to treat them as I had wanted to be trated when I was in their situation...

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[donna52522]

Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by donna52522

Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%?

The tithe is 10%. But, yes, I would think the pastor would give 110% figuratively speaking.

[fireftr18]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The tithe is 10%. But, yes, I would think the pastor would give 110% figuratively speaking.

And the way it seems, I bet she sits down and calculates exactly 10% and not a penny more.

vienna, it goes back to "The Golden Rule" that we're all taught. In other words, treat others as you would want to be treated.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by donna52522

Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%?

More confusingly... why and how does he give money to God, who doesn't need it?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

More confusingly... why and how does he give money to God, who doesn't need it?

Says who?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

http://blog.chron.com/hottopics/2013...ipt-on-reddit/



I don't know, maybe it because the Almighty didn't bring you an omlette with toast and the waitress did. Cheap stiff

Maybe he should give God 20%...

Oh, man. One of my favorite subjects. How did I miss this?!

As an ex-server who's to be married to an ex-bartender, I have a lot of opinions on the subject.

The worst were the hardcore churchgoers who would tip you with their bible tracts.



If you ever want to enrage a server and ensure that you'll be eating spit or food that's fallen on the floor the next time you visit that particular restaurant, go ahead and leave that as your tip.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.

USUALLY, the automatic grat can be removed upon request. There are some restaurants that make it a requirement, and it's posted very conspicuously near the door if that's the case.

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's necessary to have that for large parties because in many cases, a party of 8 will tip like a party of 3.

YES. This is exactly why the automatic grat system was initiated.

Originally Posted by Skybird

I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.

Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.

If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then.

By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it.

Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers).

So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff.

To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer.

Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo. Ferenghis no doubt love it.

Well Sky, it's a bit different over here. The prices on restaurant menus are cheaper here, because they're only the price for the food. The tip is the price you pay for the service. It's up to you, on the honor system, to determine how well the service was and what sort of tip is warranted. You can rail against the system and say it's not fair and the employer should pay more, blah blah, but it doesn't change anything. Those servers are relying on tips to live upon. The price of the service is not built into the menu price. So no, it's not an "extra" given out for good service. Maybe in Europe it is, but not here.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Once my brother, at a restaurant, asked the waitress no less than 5 times for ketchup. It never came. When he got up to leave he stated to waitress he left the tip under the ketchup.

That's hilarious. Only one time have I been so pissed as to leave a $0.05 tip. I made sure it was $0.05 because I wanted her to know that I'm the type of guy who tips generously, but her service was only worth a nickel. When I have to go over to the coffee stand and pour my own coffee because I've asked for it multiple times to no avail, that's nickel-worthy service.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The worst were the hardcore churchgoers who would tip you with their bible tracts.



If you ever want to enrage a server and ensure that you'll be eating spit or food that's fallen on the floor the next time you visit that particular restaurant, go ahead and leave that as your tip.

Wow. Lame, just lame. Thou shalt not tip, I suppose.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Says who?

Well I'd assume an omnipresent being who made everything wouldn't need money because he could just make anything he wanted.

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Well I'd assume an omnipresent being who made everything wouldn't need money because he could just make anything he wanted.

Counterfeiting is against the law!
I don't think anyone here can show a law on the books that says God can do it and it's O.K.
(I'm being just as serious as you. LOL!!)

[Sailor Steve]

There's no official government record to show that God made anything.

Is he guilty of contracting without a license?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

More confusingly... why and how does he give money to God, who doesn't need it?

Perhaps god has a paypal account?

[Skybird]

I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.

Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.

If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then.

By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it.

Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers).

So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff.

To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer.

Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo. Ferenghis no doubt love it.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.

Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.

If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then.

By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it.

Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers).

So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff.

To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer.

Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo.

signed.

One works for a living. Local culture describes "tips" as small personal gifts, signs for appreciation as well.

I do so well on that new IT job, i can use the tips to pay half my food.
It is good, because 86% of the pay is needed to pay the basic Bills.

[HundertzehnGustav]

and the richer the customer, the lousier the tip.
we charge 150 balls for a reinstall [OS + drivers + updates + set of desired software] + installation at home, checks and configuration

i had a customer do me a reinstall, and he came over to pester me 5 times, costing me two hours of attention, he hung around the workshop looking over my shoulder, and still requiring more explanations.

reinstall + home install =150
2 hours of explanations locally = 2x60 = 120
Normal = 270

what he got billed: 170 [100 off, just to get rid of him]
my tip: 10
[so you know i can come back to you and ask a few questions here and there, and you will help me, will you ]

he came back, handed me his LuxTrust online certificate dongle knowing he should not, and i "inadvertedly" called his bank stating i had his dongle and his PIN, as i am trying to resolve an issue.
They were mad and locked his accounts.

OOPS.


GTFO...