This made me sick in my stomach

[AVGWarhawk]

responsible adults

Define.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Define.

In most Western societies, anybody over the age of 18 who has full political and social rights. If you let them vote, pay taxes, and participate in any open social activity, they should have an equal right to do what they want at home, within reasonable confines and as long as it comes at reasonably low harm to anyone else.

As the article suggests, by the way, while incest is known to create medical risks, it is also far less of a medical and social risks than a multitude of other things, including smoking, drinking and eating fast food. Which to me again suggests that regulation of this is purely social - people will allow harmful behaviour to be a private choice if enough of the population does it, and deny even slightly harmful behaviour if it is culturally-taboo. I think there is a case to be made for protecting one's culture, but it shouldn't over-ride the common human right of all responsible adults to do what they please with themselves. Especially when it becomes political, which IMO is just a waste of the government's resources and an excellent way to bully minorities into submission, which no democratic government should have the right to do.

Oh, and it's not like I'm promoting incest. It's just that a) I see this as a matter of democratic principle; b) I also see evidence that fighting cases of incest between adults has probably caused more harm (in the broadest, including political, sense) than incest itself.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by CCIP

In most Western societies, anybody over the age of 18 who has full political and social rights. If you let them vote, pay taxes, and participate in any open social activity, they should have an equal right to do what they want at home, within reasonable confines and as long as it comes at reasonably low harm to anyone else.

As the article suggests, by the way, while incest is known to create medical risks, it is also far less of a medical and social risks than a multitude of other things, including smoking, drinking and eating fast food. Which to me again suggests that regulation of this is purely social - people will allow harmful behaviour to be a private choice if enough of the population does it, and deny even slightly harmful behaviour if it is culturally-taboo. I think there is a case to be made for protecting one's culture, but it shouldn't over-ride the common human right of all responsible adults to do what they please with themselves. Especially when it becomes political, which IMO is just a waste of the government's resources and an excellent way to bully minorities into submission, which no democratic government should have the right to do.

Oh, and it's not like I'm promoting incest. It's just that a) I see this as a matter of democratic principle; b) I also see evidence that fighting cases of incest between adults has probably caused more harm (in the broadest, including political, sense) than incest itself.

Well put sir!

[mapuc]

I have always been learned to respect others standpoint in whatever it may concern and I do respect yours

But, a father-daughter(18+), Mother-son(18+) or a Brother-sister(18+) relationship is in my mind so wrong. I can't make a long speech why I think so. I just feel it's wrong.

Markus

I can't make a long speech why I think so. I just feel it's wrong.

But the question is...should these two be facing a possible 2 years jail term?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

But the question is...should these two be facing a possible 2 years jail term?

A good question

My answer is NO!
What they need, is help, maybe some type of psychological help

Markus

[Armistead]

I'm against this one, I don't see anything good coming from every allowing incest. Fact is, it's already a major problem with fathers abusing daughters, make it legal for adults, I think it sends a wrong message to children suffering abuse. I see it giving too much excuse for those that want to abuse others, regardless of the age. Just compare it to alcohol, how many parents give minors alcohol.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I personally dislike incest. Its in my view morally wrong.

However what to do when couple doesn't know they are family in start of their relationship? I recall news reports from Germany where brother and sister who grew away from each other married and at that point learned that. Should authorities go and tell that their love is illegal? That they are not allowed to have children?

[Skybird]

from certain degrees of genetic nearness (? closeness? familiarity? similarity?) on, the probability of offsprings having genetic malfunctions are rocketing upwards, even multiply. Society has an interest in preventing this, because it is society paying the price for it. So if an incest couple by its selfishness and egoism has "handicapped" children - who pays the bill for caring for the children when they are grown up and their parents are dead? Well, who pays the wellfare system and the state? Right.

There is a reason why in most culture incest is tabooized since every long time. And it is not just religious dogmas' reasons. It simply is common sense based on bad experience.

Campaigning for ending "father and mother", propagating homo and lesbian marriage, denying psychological differences between boys and girls, demanding children being taken away from their parents at the age of as low as 1 year and giving them to Kindergardens (although we know for empirically proven certainty that this does damage to the psychic and immunologic developement of little children) , insisting that woman get equal numerical representation in all jobs no matter whether they want that or not, quotas for women in employment, etc etc - all this is part of the gender ideology that is on crusade in the whole Western world and has become the fundament of EU policies and national policies since the conference at Bejing at the very latest. Its a project of brainwashing and socially re-engineering of nothing less than 800 million people int he Western world. The very root of it has been a meanwhile terribly misunderstood and perverted idea of feminist movement.

I am extremely unforgivable over this gender movement madness. I rate it as one of the biggest crimes against mankind. It equals the crime of Chinese reeducation camps and Soviet/Eastern attempts to breed and train the "socialist homo sapiens." The damage it does, can hardly be overestimated if it is allowed to go on like it did in the past 15 years.

well I didn't expect quite such a pile of ballderdash from Sky, its amazng how many unrelated falsehoods can be fitted into a rant about incest.
Honestly, he should get a job with the daily mail

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by mapuc

But, a father-daughter(18+), Mother-son(18+) or a Brother-sister(18+) relationship is in my mind so wrong. I can't make a long speech why I think so. I just feel it's wrong.

So do I, but should what you or I feel is wrong dictate law to everyone else?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So do I, but should what you or I feel is wrong dictate law to everyone else?

Same argument concerning religion for centuries.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Same argument concerning religion for centuries.

I don't understand.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So do I, but should what you or I feel is wrong dictate law to everyone else?

Now you made me think

It's a kind of a two way answer to that

1. As an ordinary private person
I'm very liberal when it comes to many things even sex between to adult, but sex in the family...no

1 If I was a politician I would have the same attitude as above and I would vote no if such a bill came up.

Markus

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So do I, but should what you or I feel is wrong dictate law to everyone else?

This.

As long as the couple are consenting adults and takes steps to prevent pregnancy then I say it shouldn't be an issue. Legalizing it doesn't mean you have to start shagging your family members, after all.