What's up with London? (riots, merged)

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

I'm just speculating here but perhaps the reason these hoodlums feel "shut out" is because Europeans wear their alienation from the state like a badge of honor. Hating ones country is almost a rite of passage if what's written on this forum is any indication of your true feelings.

After all how many times have we read how you don't feel any loyalty to your homeland? That you don't feel your representatives represent you? That your government is some evil organization designed to bleed you dry?

Well country is basically another word for community and if todays youth are trashing their own community then perhaps it's because they've been told all their lives not to have any respect or loyalty towards it.

That points at a truth, I think. 'Butquestzion must be asked why it is that the youth does not love its country. Several answers that are neither a compliment to their families as well as to their countries (and their societies), must be taken into account.

For loyalty to a country is something the country cannot expect to be given, or declare a duty by birth, but must be deserved. Which in return means the poersonb expoected to show thjat loyalty must live with personal "code" that in principle is compatible in vlaues with what that country's culture stands for. And if you ask the opening question again on this detail, you also have to take into account differences in ideological backgrounds between person/family, and country. That can express itself in the soical split between social low classe getting left behind, and the rich, as well as the ideological/cultural backgrounds of migrants and the new hosting society they have arrived in.

I don'T say or think you are wriong, you point at the right direction, and I feel what you try to express between the written lines. I agree with that (if I sensed you right). I just think you do not ask far/deep enough.