Veganism

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by ERPP8

Vegetarianism is dumb,
The animals are ALREADY dead, you eating or not eating meat only keeps it on the shelf for maybe another hour.

Why are the animals already dead?
Because there is a demand for meat.
Would they raise and slaughter animals if there was no demand?
Certainly not.
How do you reduce demand?
By becoming vegetarian.

That is probably the most basic rule of the market: no demand = no offer, or at least no offer that will remain for long. The shelves would be bare of meat within weeks if no one would buy it. So to say turning vegetarian is dumb because the meat is there is, well...

[GoldenRivet]

All i can say, personally speaking... i have finally perfected my steak grilling as of about 6 years ago.

I have specific spices, seasonings and sauces etc that i use exclusively to create my steak and i take a lot of pride in getting it right.

I grill it with a diamond pattern when i have the time, and i try to make it look as pleasing to the eye as it is to the taste.

grilling a steak is one of my favorite past times... i love standing by that grill with a cold beer in my hand listening to that sizzle and hiss while engaged in good conversation with my wife or a good friend.

the only thing better is sitting at the table with friends and family and enjoying - and watching them enjoy - a tender, juicy steak.

any man ought to be able to tell you - grilling a steak is a matter of pride, its an art form all its own, and your recipe is something you dont easily share with anyone.

i like vegetables, dont get me wrong.

but there is a HUGE difference between a vegetarian and a vegan.

i can eat salad

i cannot eat vegan - everything they cook is just an amalgamation of stuff that aint supposed to mix and when it comes out of the oven they call it lasagna.

but brother, i have had lasagna... but that soupy, flavorless, odorless concoction is NOT lasagna. know what i mean?

when i enjoy a good meal i do so with all my senses... i hear it cooking, i smell it cooking, i sense the change in odor as you add various ingredients, i see what it looks like on the plate, whether or not it LOOKS appetizing, i judge every aspect and dissect every flavor... im the type of food oriented person who wants to feel like the sight, scent and taste of my food is making love to my senses

and if that were the case... vegan food... is just a lousy partner.

[gimpy117]

I do agree that meats, especially beef can be very unhealthy though. I work in a Meat dept. I know these things.

I think the main issue is overating. Some steaks can have 2 or 3 servings a piece, and familes will often buy 3 Lbs of ground beef a person. thats nearly quadruple the serving of a typical 1/4 pound burger.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

I do agree that meats, especially beef can be very unhealthy though. I work in a Meat dept. I know these things.

I think the main issue is overating. Some steaks can have 2 or 3 servings a piece, and familes will often buy 3 Lbs of ground beef a person. thats nearly quadruple the serving of a typical 1/4 pound burger.

the key is to buy a cut of steak slightly larger than your fist.

special occasions call for larger though

Nearly all Beef sold in the U.S.A. at Super Markets and such have been
injected or force fed to achive a certain fat content.
They call it marbleing.
The Beef we raise is natural fed and it hardly leaves any fat in a skillet!
The 3 growing now have more land to graze on then I own at home.
And thier own pond is bigger then the lot my Home is on!
When Halloween is over?
We gather pumpkins from people and feed them that also.
They produce very lean Meat.
Much like Elk do.
If the Cattle Industry would stop the crap they do to inflate prices and produce healthy Beef?

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by privateer

If the Cattle Industry would stop the crap they do to inflate prices and produce healthy Beef?

Don't you think they do the crap feeding to keep (their) costs down? I think the way the industry raises cattle is way more cheaper than the way you do it.
I can't say anything against the way you handle it. In fact I wish more people would do it this way.
Most people who buy their meat solely at the supermarket just have no relationship to the way meat is produced.
I don't want to preach anyone what to eat, but if you are not able kill an animal by yourself (at least theoretically) then someone has no right to eat it.
I don't slaughter the little tofus by myself, but I could do it. Same goes for animals: I could do it, but I have no need!

still my favourite saying: "I am no vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate plants!"

At what price does anyone risking Human health to save costs?
Remember Mad Cow problems?
That pretty much ended the Cattle Industry from useing Cattle to feed Cattle.
Would it raise costs to feed them naturally?
Maybe just a little.
But I kind of doubt that haveing travelled through Cattle country in the U.S.A.
Hit Texas once where you see Cattle but not a single Barn or such for Miles!

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by privateer

At what price does anyone risking Human health to save costs?
Remember Mad Cow problems?
That pretty much ended the Cattle Industry from useing Cattle to feed Cattle.
Would it raise costs to feed them naturally?
Maybe just a little.
But I kind of doubt that haveing travelled through Cattle country in the U.S.A.
Hit Texas once where you see Cattle but not a single Barn or such for Miles!

That might work where you live. Over here the cattle is usually kept in stables. Not much space for them to move and they usually get fed with industrial fodder (Dioxin scandal anyone...(for those who don't know we just have a scandal here in Germany where one company mixed fats for industrial means with fats for fodder production, causing it to be contaminated with dioxin)).
As a side effect injections with antibiotics are of course the norm under this conditions.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by privateer

Nearly all Beef sold in the U.S.A. at Super Markets and such have been
injected or force fed to achive a certain fat content.
They call it marbleing.
The Beef we raise is natural fed and it hardly leaves any fat in a skillet!
The 3 growing now have more land to graze on then I own at home.
And thier own pond is bigger then the lot my Home is on!
When Halloween is over?
We gather pumpkins from people and feed them that also.
They produce very lean Meat.
Much like Elk do.
If the Cattle Industry would stop the crap they do to inflate prices and produce healthy Beef?

you are correct. they are corn fed. The more expensive cuts are surprisingly worse for you. a USDA prime cut will be a calorie bomb, where a USDA inspected will be quite lean. I work at a store called Olesons. A small chain of 5 stores. We grow very very lean buffalo as well. Ground buffalo is 95% lean or so.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

The more expensive cuts are surprisingly worse for you.

No surprise there. Worse for you = more marbled fat = more flavor = higher price.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

No surprise there. Worse for you = more marbled fat = more flavor = higher price.

oh yes very much so.

[the_tyrant]

why is everyone so caloriephobic?
this very moment i'm stuffing chocolate into my mouth:

[antikristuseke]

I'm not, my daily food consumption averages to arround 4000 calories a day, double that during a 24 hour shift.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

why is everyone so caloriephobic?

Personally I'm just, like, food phobic Food takes time to prepare, time to eat and even more time if you want it to taste good, and also money to buy. So quite often I simply don't eat until dinner. I just don't get very hungry, and if I do I can ignore it pretty well. I know it isn't very healthy, but well... who cares?

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

I'm not, my daily food consumption averages to arround 4000 calories a day, double that during a 24 hour shift.

And still you're as thin as a sheet of paper

As you could've guessed from what I said above, my calorie intakes are probably below the recommended 2000 (even with beer added) and I've still got a bit of a belly (beer belly most likely). Not that I'm fat, most definitely not, but I'm not extraordinarily slim either.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

why is everyone so caloriephobic?
this very moment i'm stuffing chocolate into my mouth:

thats pretty much my lunch, but add around 200 grams of chocolate truffles

You're young. For most of us (not all, but most) after you hit a certain age your metabolism slows down and your weight becomes much harder to manage.