Veganism

[gimpy117]

I do agree that meats, especially beef can be very unhealthy though. I work in a Meat dept. I know these things.

I think the main issue is overating. Some steaks can have 2 or 3 servings a piece, and familes will often buy 3 Lbs of ground beef a person. thats nearly quadruple the serving of a typical 1/4 pound burger.

[Blood_splat]

I just couldn't work a 10 or 12 hour day and sit down to a vegan meal.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

I do agree that meats, especially beef can be very unhealthy though. I work in a Meat dept. I know these things.

I think the main issue is overating. Some steaks can have 2 or 3 servings a piece, and familes will often buy 3 Lbs of ground beef a person. thats nearly quadruple the serving of a typical 1/4 pound burger.

the key is to buy a cut of steak slightly larger than your fist.

special occasions call for larger though

[joegrundman]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

grilling a steak is one of my favorite past times... i love standing by that grill with a cold beer in my hand listening to that sizzle and hiss while engaged in good conversation with my wife or a good friend.

when i cook steak there isn't time for a conversation. 60 secs per side maximum

[kiwi_2005]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I'm here to tell you, either she cannot cook, or veganism is the most bland, tasteless, unexciting lifestyle where food is concerned.

Same here friend of mine is a vegan and a save the planet freak I'll admit she can cook up anything vegan and make it look good on the plate but tastes bloody terrible. Even her cats are vegans. . No im serious she trained them to eat veges. That's all she feeds them is this cooked up vege stew.

Never forget the time having a few drinks she got rotten drunk and we caught her pigging out on mutton chops

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by ERPP8

Vegetarianism is dumb,
The animals are ALREADY dead, you eating or not eating meat only keeps it on the shelf for maybe another hour.
Veganism is a new level of dumb,
milking an animal is not harmful or bad. That's like saying breastfeeding hurts the mother, it's actually harmful to NOT milk a cow enough.
Naturally, animals die, it's normal. Humans have become predators and there are other predators in the world. If you want to complain about animals dying, watch The Lion King, or go yell at all the other predators like wolfs, and cheetahs.
Meat tastes good, it's good for your health and it's natural.

Thank you for your deep and profound insight.
I will start eating meat again, you really have convinced me!
It is good how much biological wisdom we can learn from Disney cartoons and I must admit that I am a bit jealous of the education system of the country where you reside.
When I am big, I want to be as smart as you!

Nearly all Beef sold in the U.S.A. at Super Markets and such have been
injected or force fed to achive a certain fat content.
They call it marbleing.
The Beef we raise is natural fed and it hardly leaves any fat in a skillet!
The 3 growing now have more land to graze on then I own at home.
And thier own pond is bigger then the lot my Home is on!
When Halloween is over?
We gather pumpkins from people and feed them that also.
They produce very lean Meat.
Much like Elk do.
If the Cattle Industry would stop the crap they do to inflate prices and produce healthy Beef?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by joegrundman

when i cook steak there isn't time for a conversation. 60 secs per side maximum

for me it is a low flame, about 2.5 minutes per side. it gives it a nice diamond char if you flip them and rotate them right.

i can tell if it is about cooked through by looking, at which point i cut into it to check as some folks can be particular.

i prefer mine medium to medium rare, exterior should appear moist and glistening with the fat on.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by privateer

If the Cattle Industry would stop the crap they do to inflate prices and produce healthy Beef?

Don't you think they do the crap feeding to keep (their) costs down? I think the way the industry raises cattle is way more cheaper than the way you do it.
I can't say anything against the way you handle it. In fact I wish more people would do it this way.
Most people who buy their meat solely at the supermarket just have no relationship to the way meat is produced.
I don't want to preach anyone what to eat, but if you are not able kill an animal by yourself (at least theoretically) then someone has no right to eat it.
I don't slaughter the little tofus by myself, but I could do it. Same goes for animals: I could do it, but I have no need!

still my favourite saying: "I am no vegetarian because I love animals, I just hate plants!"

At what price does anyone risking Human health to save costs?
Remember Mad Cow problems?
That pretty much ended the Cattle Industry from useing Cattle to feed Cattle.
Would it raise costs to feed them naturally?
Maybe just a little.
But I kind of doubt that haveing travelled through Cattle country in the U.S.A.
Hit Texas once where you see Cattle but not a single Barn or such for Miles!

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by privateer

At what price does anyone risking Human health to save costs?
Remember Mad Cow problems?
That pretty much ended the Cattle Industry from useing Cattle to feed Cattle.
Would it raise costs to feed them naturally?
Maybe just a little.
But I kind of doubt that haveing travelled through Cattle country in the U.S.A.
Hit Texas once where you see Cattle but not a single Barn or such for Miles!

That might work where you live. Over here the cattle is usually kept in stables. Not much space for them to move and they usually get fed with industrial fodder (Dioxin scandal anyone...(for those who don't know we just have a scandal here in Germany where one company mixed fats for industrial means with fats for fodder production, causing it to be contaminated with dioxin)).
As a side effect injections with antibiotics are of course the norm under this conditions.

[ERPP8]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Why are the animals already dead?
Because there is a demand for meat.
Would they raise and slaughter animals if there was no demand?
Certainly not.
How do you reduce demand?
By becoming vegetarian.

That is probably the most basic rule of the market: no demand = no offer, or at least no offer that will remain for long. The shelves would be bare of meat within weeks if no one would buy it. So to say turning vegetarian is dumb because the meat is there is, well...

You're mixing micro and macro economics, it's JUST YOU as a vegan, the meat producers won't say "Oh god, Schroeder isn't eating meat, we need to reduce our production"

[ERPP8]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Thank you for your deep and profound insight.
I will start eating meat again, you really have convinced me!
It is good how much biological wisdom we can learn from Disney cartoons and I must admit that I am a bit jealous of the education system of the country where you reside.
When I am big, I want to be as smart as you!

People just refuse to think things out

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by ERPP8

You're mixing micro and macro economics, it's JUST YOU as a vegan, the meat producers won't say "Oh god, Schroeder isn't eating meat, we need to reduce our production"

That's not the point. The first step to anything begins with one person.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

That might work where you live. Over here the cattle is usually kept in stables. Not much space for them to move and they usually get fed with industrial fodder (Dioxin scandal anyone...(for those who don't know we just have a scandal here in Germany where one company mixed fats for industrial means with fats for fodder production, causing it to be contaminated with dioxin)).
As a side effect injections with antibiotics are of course the norm under this conditions.

The antibiotics used in lifestock farming, especially pigs and chicken, is a problem, yes. It helps to make bacterias immune to antibiotics - and that has become a very threatening problem indeed, every doctor knows now. We find that stuff and many other medical drugs even in our drink water supplies now.

The dioxine scandal, you must not be too concerned about it, Schroeder. Dioxine is a natural substance that is included in almost everything we eat, in salad, grain, vegetables, meat, eggs. It is being produced wherever you have oxidation and burning processes. You cannot avoid it. It is the dose that makes the poison, and the one must know that most limit values for food are not so much medical ones, but political and economic ones, they represen t what technically can be acchieved in reduction and what economically is desirable. Maybe you know Udo Pollmer, a nutrition chemists quite prominent in Germany, I know two of his books. He points out that the limit values for dioxone in food make little sense and follow the tehcnical criterion I described. The limit value for fish for example is higher than for eggs. If you eat eggs with the dioxione they now measured, you eat still less dioxone, than if you eat a nrmal portion of fish. In case of the egg, it is not considered a problem, but when eating fish, nobody cares, although he eats even more dioxin!

The case has to be examined and finally the responsible ones being punished (I mean really punished) becasue legal rules have been broken, and obviously the indistry works with lots of criminal energy to lie and betray the consumer. But our wonderful consumer protection ministry will, a susual, do its best to prevent the conusmer being protecte din the future, and to hide the structures of the business to ensure its profits.

Fire safety measures are for protecting against fires, and consumer safety is to protect against consumers. That's what this ministry usually does. Burning their ministry down would not be a loss for anone, but it would save taxes and future pensions.