Neutrals are supposed to be NEUTRAL

[VONHARRIS]

I have no intension to attack a hospital ship , but Neutrals are supposed to be Neutrals. Calling in air support is a direct violation of the neutrality rules , but this is not scripted in the game.

Perhaps a modder can make such a mod....

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by papa_smurf

That has happened to me on many an occasion. Just because a ship is unlit at night, does not mean its neutral

I joined those ranks awhile back.

It's annoying sometimes when I sink an unlit neutral. I try not to fire without giving a proper visual inspection, but every so often I trick myself into thinking that a quick shot will result in sending the enemy to the bottom.

The worst is when the soup closes in and I can't see anything beyond a couple hundred meters. Sank a few neutrals that way, too. Blasted weather.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by krashkart

I joined those ranks awhile back.

It's annoying sometimes when I sink an unlit neutral. I try not to fire without giving a proper visual inspection, but every so often I trick myself into thinking that a quick shot will result in sending the enemy to the bottom.

The worst is when the soup closes in and I can't see anything beyond a couple hundred meters. Sank a few neutrals that way, too. Blasted weather.

That kind of events can at worst be unavoidable,

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by krashkart

I joined those ranks awhile back.

It's annoying sometimes when I sink an unlit neutral. I try not to fire without giving a proper visual inspection, but every so often I trick myself into thinking that a quick shot will result in sending the enemy to the bottom.

The worst is when the soup closes in and I can't see anything beyond a couple hundred meters. Sank a few neutrals that way, too. Blasted weather.

Sure...blame the weather

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Sure...blame the weather

The Kaleun is never wrong.

[STEED]

Its there fault for not being lit up for the world to see, there just asking for trouble with no lights on.

[papa_smurf]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Sure...blame the weather

Unless Bernard is manning the con tower

[Missing Name]

If they're armed, I'll take 'em down. It's that simple. Having a deck gun is proof that they are not going to be happy if I pop up next to them and offer them some butterbrot.

[Axeman3d]

I just sank my first neutral ship, on what is quickly turning into the worst patrol ever. I was off the Azores at my patrol point and found zilch, so headed over to Gibralta to catch any traffic coming out of the Med. I chased a convoy heading north and sank a couple of ships for 6 shots fired (boo) and then got slapped about by the escorts, so turned back to Gib to look for stragglers. On a moonless night out sails a darkened large merchant with no lights, and there's no way I can see his flag even in the external camera. One torp under his keel and he eventually sank, but it turned out he was Spanish. Why no lights, the bloody idiot!

[STEED]

I sunk a neutral today in broad daylight on a calm sea in a convoy. Not my fault the bloody moron decided to turn straight in to my T1 ell which was on its way to hit a large tanker.

Man I was...

[vergol]

Originally Posted by Axeman3d

On a moonless night out sails a darkened large merchant with no lights, and there's no way I can see his flag even in the external camera. One torp under his keel and he eventually sank, but it turned out he was Spanish. Why no lights, the bloody idiot!

I recall reading somewhere that the game pre-generates the spawn list of all the ships you can encounter when you initially start a patrol. So if a country switches from neutral to enemy status during the patrol, the game may not register that until you get back to port. Thus you may see lit enemy ships or even dark neutral ships.

Feel free to correct me.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by vergol

I recall reading somewhere that the game pre-generates the spawn list of all the ships you can encounter when you initially start a patrol. So if a country switches from neutral to enemy status during the patrol, the game may not register that until you get back to port. Thus you may see lit enemy ships or even dark neutral ships.

Feel free to correct me.

That may be true, but unless I'm mistaken, Spain stayed Neutral throughout the war. No reason for a Spanish ship not to look like the Las Veags strip.

[Axeman3d]

That's what I thought. Spain were technically neutral throughout the war, even though Franco had ties with Hitler going way back. Why no lights?

[Jack Cutter]

Originally Posted by Axeman3d

That's what I thought. Spain were technically neutral throughout the war, even though Franco had ties with Hitler going way back. Why no lights?

I too have sunk Spanish ships in game. I was patrolling near the upper coasts of Africa when I recieved sighting reports of two merchant ships. It was a dark rainy night (all stories are good with that added ) and I was shocked at how large both ships where. I could see them in the dip of the horizon without my binos. I was practically frothing at the mouth, since there where no escorts. I raced ahead at full, and closed the distance to about 2K meters, and still couldn't verify their flags, but I knew there were both large tankers and still no escorts in sight!

I grew tired of trying to see their flags, and nothing was lit up. That was the only bit of info I felt I needed. So I fired all forward tubes. Two eels headed straight to each tanker...and happily all four ran true and exploded nicely...

And then their search lights went on, and those ships lit up like Christmas trees! Those jerks even had the audacity to finally swivel their spot lights to light up their flags....I couldn't believe it...they ran dark until it was too late, AND THEN shone lights on their flags....One ship sank, the other was lucky and limped off severely damaged... just like my Kaleun's career.

I found it highly odd that two large unescorted spanish tankers near africa would be running dark... until AFTER I attacked them.

Perhaps all these neutrals running around without lights on are really just ships packed with their respective countrys' dregs of society...lol

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Axeman3d

That's what I thought. Spain were technically neutral throughout the war, even though Franco had ties with Hitler going way back. Why no lights?

Because the lighted ships are a separate type, and the lights are tied directly to that type. The game assigns flags randomly. The two different concepts cannot be reconciled within the limitations of the game.