SH5 patch #2

[ggregoro]

Originally Posted by captainprid

That is a fair point but when does patience run out and anger take it's place? I really am annoyed although I acknowledge, anger is going to get me nowhere. Quite frankly, the game should have come out complete, it shouldn't have been sold as a complete game when in reality we were charged for beta testing it.
I also understand that sometimes things can get missed so a patch is required but if it is promised on a certain time then it should be delivered. I'm a patient kind of guy so I can understand the fact that maybe something came up at the last minute last time but for it to happen again is either one of the following:
Incompetence
contempt for the customer
or both

In no other business on Earth would this kind of service be acceptable, it is as simple as that

It is fairly evident that this company, or at least this business unit of the company, does not know how to run a software development project. Whatever happened to under promise over deliver? It's a good bet that they don't have the "A" team working on this patch and the project manager is pretty much clueless as to their capabilities.

The guiding principles of the Montgomery Scott School of Project Management:
1. When the client asks for a new project, even when the specs are clear, deny the possibility of the task being able to be accomplished.
2. If pressed, multiply by 4 (or 8) the amount of time you think it might take.
3. When it only takes you twice as much time as you originally estimate, you will come out ahead by a factor of two (or four).
Ben Adams
http://mouthyamerican.blogspot.com/2...f-project.html

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by ggregoro

It is fairly evident that this company, or at least this business unit of the company, does not know how to run a software development project. Whatever happened to under promise over deliver? It's a good bet that they don't have the "A" team working on this patch and the project manager is pretty much clueless as to their capabilities.

The guiding principles of the Montgomery Scott School of Project Management:
1. When the client asks for a new project, even when the specs are clear, deny the possibility of the task being able to be accomplished.
2. If pressed, multiply by 4 (or 8) the amount of time you think it might take.
3. When it only takes you twice as much time as you originally estimate, you will come out ahead by a factor of two (or four).
Ben Adams
http://mouthyamerican.blogspot.com/2...f-project.html

I will see your "Space-Guys in their Jammies" quote and raise you one from the Ubisoft Q3 Financial statement...

Sales for the third quarter of 2009-10 came to €495 million

Clearly they don't have a clue about how to run a software development project.

And this Project Manager is an actual person (as opposed to a character on a bad 60's sci-fi program) and is a friend of mine so you might want to think twice about slandering someone who you have never even met.


JCC

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by John Channing

I will see your "Space-Guys in their Jammies" quote and raise you one from the Ubisoft Q3 Financial statement...




Clearly they don't have a clue about how to run a software development project.

And this Project Manager is an actual person (as opposed to a character on a bad 60's sci-fi program) and is a friend of mine so you might want to think twice about slandering someone who you have never even met.


JCC

Oh keep defending UBISOFT. We wouldn't expect any criticism from a subsim mod..

[hawk2495]

Originally Posted by Reaves

Oh keep defending UBISOFT. We wouldn't expect any criticism from a subsim mod..

That is a bit unfair.

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by hawk2495

That is a bit unfair.

So is life unfortunately. A good example is paying US$49.95 for a game not worth playing. When it will be worth playing I could purchase it for $14.95.

I can only blame myself though.. Been through this with every SH release.. nothing new here.

[Reece]

@ JCC, Reaves is correct, UBISoft had not right to sell a product, eagerly collecting peoples money, in such a poor state as this!
SH3 1.4b stock was very playable with a few bugs, SH4 1.5 stock is playable with many bugs, but SH5 so far is hardly worth playing at all. Quality is going down hill fast! and sorry but Dan and the rest of the devs as well as the producers (both UBISoft) are directly responsible for this mess! This product should be recalled!!

[Sgtmonkeynads]

It's 4-20 so maybe the guy that was supposed to upload the patch was doing something else.

[kylania]

Originally Posted by Reece

@ JCC, Reaves is correct, UBISoft had not right to sell a product, eagerly collecting peoples money, in such a poor state as this!
SH3 1.4b stock was very playable with a few bugs, SH4 1.5 stock is playable with many bugs, but SH5 so far is hardly worth playing at all. Quality is going down hill fast! and sorry but Dan and the rest of the devs as well as the producers (both UBISoft) are directly responsible for this mess! This product should be recalled!!

... you're trying to compare Silent Hunter III's final patch with out of the box Silent Hunter 5? Really? Perhaps you forgot all the changes that went into making Silent Hunter III playable? SH III was close to this buggy when it came out.

Last Week/Today's missed patch would have gone a long way in making SH5 playable, but to compare a final patch game with an out of the box game (with only one tiny day 1 patch) is just absurd.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by kylania

... you're trying to compare Silent Hunter III's final patch with out of the box Silent Hunter 5? Really? Perhaps you forgot all the changes that went into making Silent Hunter III playable? SH III was close to this buggy when it came out.

Last Week/Today's missed patch would have gone a long way in making SH5 playable, but to compare a final patch game with an out of the box game (with only one tiny day 1 patch) is just absurd.

Not at all, SH3 at v1.1 still had nowhere near the bugs plus you had many U-Boat types and 1945 end (and no OSP/DRM), it was much more playable than this, I remember very well!, SH4 was abandoned with still far too many bugs, and no amount of patching will fix SH5, it may be slightly improved but never fixed.
It doesn't matter which way you look at it, it should not have been released in the state it was/is.

[Kepler]

Also, I would suggest that it does not constitute a very good defence to point out the poor initial state of previous SH-releases as an excuse for the poor state of SH5 at release. SH5 was released in an unfinished state, without being marketed as such = basically unacceptable. Then you have the broken string of promises concerning the (perhaps?) upcoming patch, and an unsatisfying level of communication concerning overall plans for fixing the game. Again: Basically unacceptable.

Now I do not wish to sound unreasonable, I understand that I have not bought a space shuttle or an aircraft carrier, but a $50 computer game. Of course there is a limit to the service I can expect for that kind of money, but I do not feel that I am asking too much, really.

If you sell me a game that is far from finished and functioning in comparison to what it promises, you tell me. Anything else is dishonest.

If you happen to sell me a game that contains errors you did not know of and thus could not tell me about at the time of purchase, you tell me if and when you are going to fix said errors. At the very least you can say: "Sorry mate, that's what you get for $50". If you postpone fixes, I want to know why. Guessing why you did not fix errors before release, or what errors you might choose to fix, and when, should not be part of the purchase.

That's it. Honest communication. Doesn't have to cost a lot.

[tonschk]

Silent Hunter 3 ?? , no thank you , I already deleted SH3 , and I love Silent Hunter 5

[Kepler]

Originally Posted by Reece

Not at all, SH3 at v1.1 still had nowhere near the bugs plus you had many U-Boat types and 1945 end (and no OSP/DRM), it was much more playable than this, I remember very well!, SH4 was abandoned with still far too many bugs, and no amount of patching will fix SH5, it may be slightly improved but never fixed.
It doesn't matter which way you look at it, it should not have been released in the state it was/is.

Also, in my personal opinion SH3 and 4 are what they are today thanks to modders. Even with the latest patches, both games have defects that you need mods to work around (and even that does not fix all problems).

[Eldarion]

I agree, Herodotus.
Been waiting for the 20th to the new patch to be released, and now we have to keep waiting!
I keep playing SH5, but it's a pity really to see british planes buzzing above my head without even noticing my u-boot, and to watch brave british sailors talking to each other, as in a sunday morning at hyde park, when their ship is being blowed up in pieces.
Not to mention my bold gun crew, glued to their cannon even underwater. That's german spirit!!
Anyway, I'm VERY disappointed, but I hope new patch will arrange everything.
See ya!

Eldarion

[Vreith]

Originally Posted by Kepler

That's it. Honest communication. Doesn't have to cost a lot.

Unless they been sitting on there asses, or got them selves in a position where it's hard to fix the issues they made and don't want to release a patch making it worse... ive had patches before making a game worse...

[ggregoro]

Originally Posted by John Channing

I will see your "Space-Guys in their Jammies" quote and raise you one from the Ubisoft Q3 Financial statement...Sales for the third quarter of 2009-10 came to €495 million

Clearly they don't have a clue about how to run a software development project.

And this Project Manager is an actual person (as opposed to a character on a bad 60's sci-fi program) and is a friend of mine so you might want to think twice about slandering someone who you have never even met.

JCC

So what are you saying here? The fact that the PM is a personal friend of yours qualifies his competence? I do not doubt that Ubisoft makes a lot of sales. However in this instance I have an issue with how they've done it. What was the profit on the sales number? If it will help get the software patched I'll apologize and withdrawn my comment.