Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

[CaptainHaplo]

Skybird,

It is always enjoyable to discuss in a rational manner with a friend and colleague, even when we disagree. I want you to realize I enjoy our back and forth tremendously.

With that said, you say that I am guilty of the same thing the GW proponents are. Then you ask "why is it that the climate change speed has so insanly accelerated that now it is the - by far - fastest climate change taking place that science knows for planet earth since many huindred million years?" Well, lets look at that ok?

I am going to use random numbers here to illustrate - as I do not have data in front of me at the moment. So don't quote these numbers, they are for picture purposes only.

Today's global average temp was 85 F (29.4 C) and it was warmer than that 800 years ago. Ok - lets say 800 years ago, it was 87 F (30.5 C) since your not disputing the 800 year data old data I referenced earlier. Now - data says we have been growing warmer over the last 600 years, and I will play devils advocate and accept that for now. So - for 600 years the temps have been rising right? Ok - then the two hundred years prior - they had to drop. Whats more they had to drop so steeply during that "short" 200 year period that the increases over the last 600 years still hasn't caught up. Yet you claim that "that the climate change speed has so insanly accelerated that now it is the - by far - fastest climate change taking place that science knows for planet earth since many huindred million years." Well - looking back at that 200 year cold span - where temps dropped drastically to get the GW outcome some claim, would mean that the climate change was insanely accelerated at least 3 times higher than it is today, since it had to do in 200 years what is now being reversed over the course of 600. This means your question / statement on climate change rates is fundamentally flawed. Not your fault, but the data you have been given of "hundreds of times faster" is demonstratably false.

Which could mean a number of things.

The data we are being "fed" could be inaccurate - which the emails show is at the least highly likely as there is clear communications that the data has been "massaged" to perpetrate a specific agenda.

We could look at it and realize that there were no SUV's, evil corporations spewing pollution into the air, or other "environmental" sins going on that could cause such a drastic change in the climate, which would mean that nature has its own cycles that go well beyond what our "computer models" can truly forecast with any accuracy. On that note, I would point out that we still can't even figure out for sure if its going to rain or snow or be sunny tommorow, yet we are supposed to place blind faith in what a glorified weatherman tells us its going to be like in 100 years if we don't start living in caves again. They can't nail next week's weather, but by george there is not any question what the next century will be like! Sorry, but logic says otherwise.

Lastly, we could look at our world, realize that there are things we can, and should do, to conserve the resources we share, as well as do what we can to responsibly minimize our impact on the environment without destroying our way of life. This must then include a healthy scepticism of what a talking head predicts, just as it means we need to look at the many small things we can voluntarily contribute to the efforts of conservation.

Is there climate change? Of course. The fact that we do not have a stable and static environment requires climate change. But change over 600 years, that does not outpace changes that occured over 200 years, demonstrates that we are not on some environmental "doomsday" course. It does show that the earth has undergone significant changes in climate beyond what man at the time had the ability to cause, and that the changes we see now are minimal compared to that. Thus, there is no logical reason to fearmonger - unless those in power want to use the subject to further their control. Sadly, this is what we have seen.