Re dialogue with crew

cxsinsanity · 10-15-09, 05:25 AM

I have problems to say it in english, so i post it in german language and include a bad google translation with it. Sorry for that.

Ich muss gerade an die Fussball Manager von EA denken, die haben zwar nur Text und kein Audio aber ein gutes Tool zum erweitern der Textsegmente liegt dem Spiel bei. Dort kann man Event-Trigger und alles definieren. Wenn man also in SH5 ähnliches machen kann, die Datenbank für die Textbausteine samt spezieller Trigger erweiterbar ist und man diese mit Audiodateien verknüpfen kann, dann sollte es ja möglich sein das zu erweitern. Und damit es einheitlich ist könnte ja jeder der Interesse hat eine "Patenschaft" für ein Crewmitglied übernehmen. So das man eine ganze Fülle von Dialogen bekommt. Und die Original Audiodateien könnte man dann ja von der Person auch neu sprechen lassen damit wirklich alles einheitlich ist.

I have to think just at the football manager of EA, which might only have Text and no audio but a good tool to expand the text segments is at stake. There you can define event triggers and everything. If you can do so in SH5 similar, the database for the Text blocks, together with special trigger and one that is expandable Audio files can associate with, then it should indeed be possible for the enhance. And so it is uniform could indeed, each of the interest a "sponsor" for a crew member take over. Thus, the one a whole Abundance of dialogue gets. And could the original audio files can then are discussing the new person also can ensure that everything is uniform.

THE_MASK · 10-15-09, 06:34 AM

I would image that the dialogue would be customisable . Just add new dialogue for a crew member and add actions and triggers .
Captain//
Speech/// You know where you can stick that soup .
Actions // Punch cook > Trigger / speech = Cook / Would you like some soup sir

GoldenRivet · 10-15-09, 06:35 AM

its my opinion that the crew dialogue in SHV will consist of little more than basic chit chat.

each character capable of dialogue will have just a few basic interactions.

I had always envisioned that the interactions would be similar to those we have seen in Half Life 2

when you walk up to another character and hit the space bar they would say something relevant to the situation or story line.

i think we can expect something similar in SHV

each interactive character would have a hand full of sentences - and to prevent repetition they would simply stop interacting with you for 30 minutes or so after a certain number of interactions had taken place.

I think we can expect characters to express

happiness, concern, fear, frustration and a few other basic "emotions" for a given situation... but nothing deep.

i expect that most of the crew will just occupy their time writing letters, reading books, playing cards or napping etc.

if we even get that much i think it would be awesome!

Kaleun_Endrass · 10-15-09, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I think we can expect characters to express happiness, concern, fear, frustration and a few other basic "emotions" for a given situation... but nothing deep.

If our beloved dev team would have the resources and time (i think the ambition they have) then they would spend huge effort in motion capturing sessions like the devs of OPF2 did and we would see something new every day....

GoldenRivet · 10-15-09, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaleun_Endrass

If our beloved dev team would have the resources and time

Aye there is the rub

on the one hand... us customers dont want to wait until 1Q 2013 to have a playable demo in the works

on the other hand we want a game that seems like it was 6 years in development.

the balance has to be struck, and i have full confidence in the dev team to strike that balance.

the Dev team and Ubi has taken two very useful lessons...

first, Silent Hunter 3, was a well received master piece despite a few shortcomings it was modded into something that has lasted a good 4+ years on nearly every hard drive it was originally installed on.

I cant say that for ANY other game i own except flight sim X - and i have a library of games on the shelf that have come and gone over the years... but SH3 has held the top spot on my hard drive since release.

Secondly, Silent Hunter 4... fresh out of the box, was pretty much a flop, and i dont think it had quite the fan base or cult following that SH3 enjoyed... it was just too "gamey" and not enough "simmy" and i think that though it DID open up the genre to a lot of "young blood" i also think it did a lot to alienate some of the hard core subsimmers. SH4 probably lasted 2 weeks on my hard drive.

armed with that information, if Ubisoft can use these lessons properly... i think that SH5 is probably going to be developed into the subsim which all subsequent subsims in history are compared to.

Kaleun_Endrass · 10-15-09, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by cxsinsanity

die Audiodateien könnte man dann ja von der Person auch neu sprechen lassen

That sounds easier than it is - much easier. The quality of the records would be different for every crewmen. Most users only have some crappy condensor microphones attached to their AC97 audio adapter. I wouldn't want those voice records at all.
We would need real studio records and here lies the difficulty.

cxsinsanity · 10-15-09, 06:45 AM

true

Platapus · 10-16-09, 04:20 PM

I think a good solution to soup-itis would be to code the cook only to inquire about the soup when the player clicks on the cook.

Don't wanna hear about the stupid soup? Don't click (make eye contact) with cook.

Grothesj2 · 10-20-09, 04:21 AM

An interesting thing would be to have some of the idle chit chat speech as the war progresses. Early war conversations might have the crew talking about the victories. France falling and specualtions on chasing french women or what ever. As the war goes on maybe have some crewman talk about his parents house being bombed, hopes that Japan will attack Russia. Late war talk about the "wonder weapons" or how far the Russians were from Berlin or when would the Allies would come across the channel.

JScones · 10-20-09, 05:20 AM

Maybe the devs could date-base the speech files, so that modders could create different speech files based on date (ranges). Much like what SH3Cmdr does in regards to changing files based on user-defined dates, and what SH4 does internally for ship skins.

The speech could be idle chit chat but with some relevance to the period that it applies to.

At least some variation then.

EDIT: Just noticed Grothesj said essentially the same thing!

10-15-09, 05:25 AM	#1
cxsinsanity Swabbie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gottmadingen at Bodensee (Lake Constance), Germany Posts: 9 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I have problems to say it in english, so i post it in german language and include a bad google translation with it. Sorry for that. Ich muss gerade an die Fussball Manager von EA denken, die haben zwar nur Text und kein Audio aber ein gutes Tool zum erweitern der Textsegmente liegt dem Spiel bei. Dort kann man Event-Trigger und alles definieren. Wenn man also in SH5 ähnliches machen kann, die Datenbank für die Textbausteine samt spezieller Trigger erweiterbar ist und man diese mit Audiodateien verknüpfen kann, dann sollte es ja möglich sein das zu erweitern. Und damit es einheitlich ist könnte ja jeder der Interesse hat eine "Patenschaft" für ein Crewmitglied übernehmen. So das man eine ganze Fülle von Dialogen bekommt. Und die Original Audiodateien könnte man dann ja von der Person auch neu sprechen lassen damit wirklich alles einheitlich ist. I have to think just at the football manager of EA, which might only have Text and no audio but a good tool to expand the text segments is at stake. There you can define event triggers and everything. If you can do so in SH5 similar, the database for the Text blocks, together with special trigger and one that is expandable Audio files can associate with, then it should indeed be possible for the enhance. And so it is uniform could indeed, each of the interest a "sponsor" for a crew member take over. Thus, the one a whole Abundance of dialogue gets. And could the original audio files can then are discussing the new person also can ensure that everything is uniform. __________________

10-15-09, 06:35 AM	#3
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	its my opinion that the crew dialogue in SHV will consist of little more than basic chit chat. each character capable of dialogue will have just a few basic interactions. I had always envisioned that the interactions would be similar to those we have seen in Half Life 2 when you walk up to another character and hit the space bar they would say something relevant to the situation or story line. i think we can expect something similar in SHV each interactive character would have a hand full of sentences - and to prevent repetition they would simply stop interacting with you for 30 minutes or so after a certain number of interactions had taken place. I think we can expect characters to express happiness, concern, fear, frustration and a few other basic "emotions" for a given situation... but nothing deep. i expect that most of the crew will just occupy their time writing letters, reading books, playing cards or napping etc. if we even get that much i think it would be awesome! __________________

10-15-09, 06:45 AM	#7
cxsinsanity Swabbie Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gottmadingen at Bodensee (Lake Constance), Germany Posts: 9 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	true __________________

10-16-09, 04:20 PM	#8
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,399 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I think a good solution to soup-itis would be to code the cook only to inquire about the soup when the player clicks on the cook. Don't wanna hear about the stupid soup? Don't click (make eye contact) with cook. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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10-15-09, 06:34 AM	#2
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	I would image that the dialogue would be customisable . Just add new dialogue for a crew member and add actions and triggers . Captain// Speech/// You know where you can stick that soup . Actions // Punch cook > Trigger / speech = Cook / Would you like some soup sir

10-20-09, 04:21 AM	#9
Grothesj2 Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 167 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	An interesting thing would be to have some of the idle chit chat speech as the war progresses. Early war conversations might have the crew talking about the victories. France falling and specualtions on chasing french women or what ever. As the war goes on maybe have some crewman talk about his parents house being bombed, hopes that Japan will attack Russia. Late war talk about the "wonder weapons" or how far the Russians were from Berlin or when would the Allies would come across the channel.

10-20-09, 05:20 AM	#10
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Maybe the devs could date-base the speech files, so that modders could create different speech files based on date (ranges). Much like what SH3Cmdr does in regards to changing files based on user-defined dates, and what SH4 does internally for ship skins. The speech could be idle chit chat but with some relevance to the period that it applies to. At least some variation then. EDIT: Just noticed Grothesj said essentially the same thing!