Video emerges of Minneapolis police killing a citizen - - Riots

Commander Wallace · 06-10-20, 07:52 AM

I was working on something with the television on and caught an interview with various Police chiefs and authorities around the U.S on I believe, CNN. It seems the 4 officers indicted in the murder of George Floyd are not presenting a united front. Quite the contrary, Former officers Kiernan Lane, Alexander Kueng have placed the blame on Derek Chauvin while Tou Thao has been cooperating with authorities before he was indicted. I seriously doubt this will help as with video evidence, they hardly need the cooperation of the other 3.

Apparently, the other 3 and their attorney's feel it's in their best interest to throw " Chauvin under the bus. " The attorney's for Kiernan Lane, Alexander Kueng have said their clients were rookies and deferred to Chauvin, their training officer. I don't blame defense attorneys from grasping at straws but i think they will find, " that dog won't hunt. " regarding this argument. Apparently these officers and their attorney's don't understand that the standard of what any reasonable officer would do in their place. It hardly takes 4 men to hold down an already restrained man and their arguments in court will have a very uphill battle.

The Police Chiefs all said in unison if officers don't know right from wrong, they shouldn't be police officers. Chauvin is all of 150lbs and 5'10. If the other officers involved are that much of a coward to be afraid of Chauvin, what might they do against more physically imposing people ?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/officers-c...ry?id=71066710

In Minneapolis, efforts are underway to abolish the police force there and to do something about it's union as well. The idea is to move them in social work. I think this is one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of. Efforts are underway in other parts of the country to defund police agencies as well. Gun shops owners report people are buying firearms in such numbers as there are shortages in various models.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/05...ce-department/

I thought this might be as good a time as any to ask our Subsim members what ideas they might have of any reorganization. This would include our members from other countries and to see what works in their respective countries. I will list some possibilities.

1) an oversight board would have to be put into places around the country where people's legitimate complaints are heard. Obviously, the police can't be trusted to do their own investigations as the complaints against Chavin before the death of Floyd, has shown. These boards would need to at the local and regional levels. If People's civil rights have been violated, refer the evidence over to the federal Govt. for prosecution. There would also have to be oversight of the boards themselves with the appropriate checks and balances for obvious reasons.

2) Video camera's worn by the police or in their cars would have to run continuously. Any efforts to disable them by officers would automatically result in criminal charges being filed . Further, make it a crime for officers to take recording devices from citizens or to order them to turn them off. It makes good sense for anyone with recording devices in their cars, phones, etc to have the recorded videos uploaded to a cloud server so any officer seizing a recording device can't erase or destroy film footage.

3) Scotus would have to revoke privileges enjoyed by officers and public officials regarding immunity from their criminal actions. This decision is criminal in itself and needs to be removed, post haste. This would include allowing police to seize money from it's citizens under the asset forfeiture law. It's essentially a license for police officers to steal your money and or property without anything in the way of due process. It's also behind the " policing for profit " tactics officers utilize now.

4) Initiate websites and federal and local registries of those officers with criminal complaints against them. This would have to include impartial investigation NOT to be done by their respective departments of internal affairs units.

5) demilitarize police forces, banning surplus military equipment transfers to police forces on a local level as they can't be trusted to use them. If special situations arise, units like SWAT can then be utilized with the proper training in the use of tactics and specialized military grade weapons.

6) Scrutiny as to the soundness of using former military members as police officers. This would also include an enhanced battery of mental fitness tests for anyone aspiring to the police academy. Police officers from a military background tend to view their own citizens as the enemy and the public by and large feel the same way about their respective police forces. It won't end well for the police forces if this practice continues.

7) Colleges and trade schools tuition's need to brought under control as well. Their rising tuition rates far outpace inflation. This would give intelligent and well motivated young people a fighting chance to better their lives through education. Our country's survival literally depends on an educated work force and it's just the right thing to do.

Benjamin Carson is a black man. He was also a brilliant Pediatric Neurosurgeon at John's Hopkins and did the first successful Siamese twins separation. Patrick and Benjamin Binder were conjoined twins, joined at the head, born in Germany in early 1987, and separated at Johns Hopkins Hospital on September 7, 1987. Think of how many lives Benjamin Carson has saved and what might have happened if Benjamin had not been able to overcome everything to be the great Physician that he is.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/ben-c...y-30-years-ago

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Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,318 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	I was working on something with the television on and caught an interview with various Police chiefs and authorities around the U.S on I believe, CNN. It seems the 4 officers indicted in the murder of George Floyd are not presenting a united front. Quite the contrary, Former officers Kiernan Lane, Alexander Kueng have placed the blame on Derek Chauvin while Tou Thao has been cooperating with authorities before he was indicted. I seriously doubt this will help as with video evidence, they hardly need the cooperation of the other 3. Apparently, the other 3 and their attorney's feel it's in their best interest to throw " Chauvin under the bus. " The attorney's for Kiernan Lane, Alexander Kueng have said their clients were rookies and deferred to Chauvin, their training officer. I don't blame defense attorneys from grasping at straws but i think they will find, " that dog won't hunt. " regarding this argument. Apparently these officers and their attorney's don't understand that the standard of what any reasonable officer would do in their place. It hardly takes 4 men to hold down an already restrained man and their arguments in court will have a very uphill battle. The Police Chiefs all said in unison if officers don't know right from wrong, they shouldn't be police officers. Chauvin is all of 150lbs and 5'10. If the other officers involved are that much of a coward to be afraid of Chauvin, what might they do against more physically imposing people ? https://abcnews.go.com/US/officers-c...ry?id=71066710 In Minneapolis, efforts are underway to abolish the police force there and to do something about it's union as well. The idea is to move them in social work. I think this is one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard of. Efforts are underway in other parts of the country to defund police agencies as well. Gun shops owners report people are buying firearms in such numbers as there are shortages in various models. https://thefederalist.com/2020/06/05...ce-department/ I thought this might be as good a time as any to ask our Subsim members what ideas they might have of any reorganization. This would include our members from other countries and to see what works in their respective countries. I will list some possibilities. 1) an oversight board would have to be put into places around the country where people's legitimate complaints are heard. Obviously, the police can't be trusted to do their own investigations as the complaints against Chavin before the death of Floyd, has shown. These boards would need to at the local and regional levels. If People's civil rights have been violated, refer the evidence over to the federal Govt. for prosecution. There would also have to be oversight of the boards themselves with the appropriate checks and balances for obvious reasons. 2) Video camera's worn by the police or in their cars would have to run continuously. Any efforts to disable them by officers would automatically result in criminal charges being filed . Further, make it a crime for officers to take recording devices from citizens or to order them to turn them off. It makes good sense for anyone with recording devices in their cars, phones, etc to have the recorded videos uploaded to a cloud server so any officer seizing a recording device can't erase or destroy film footage. 3) Scotus would have to revoke privileges enjoyed by officers and public officials regarding immunity from their criminal actions. This decision is criminal in itself and needs to be removed, post haste. This would include allowing police to seize money from it's citizens under the asset forfeiture law. It's essentially a license for police officers to steal your money and or property without anything in the way of due process. It's also behind the " policing for profit " tactics officers utilize now. 4) Initiate websites and federal and local registries of those officers with criminal complaints against them. This would have to include impartial investigation NOT to be done by their respective departments of internal affairs units. 5) demilitarize police forces, banning surplus military equipment transfers to police forces on a local level as they can't be trusted to use them. If special situations arise, units like SWAT can then be utilized with the proper training in the use of tactics and specialized military grade weapons. 6) Scrutiny as to the soundness of using former military members as police officers. This would also include an enhanced battery of mental fitness tests for anyone aspiring to the police academy. Police officers from a military background tend to view their own citizens as the enemy and the public by and large feel the same way about their respective police forces. It won't end well for the police forces if this practice continues. 7) Colleges and trade schools tuition's need to brought under control as well. Their rising tuition rates far outpace inflation. This would give intelligent and well motivated young people a fighting chance to better their lives through education. Our country's survival literally depends on an educated work force and it's just the right thing to do. Benjamin Carson is a black man. He was also a brilliant Pediatric Neurosurgeon at John's Hopkins and did the first successful Siamese twins separation. Patrick and Benjamin Binder were conjoined twins, joined at the head, born in Germany in early 1987, and separated at Johns Hopkins Hospital on September 7, 1987. Think of how many lives Benjamin Carson has saved and what might have happened if Benjamin had not been able to overcome everything to be the great Physician that he is. https://www.foxnews.com/health/ben-c...y-30-years-ago Last edited by Commander Wallace; 06-10-20 at 08:10 AM.