Just another botched execution...

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yes, mine fits the definition.

Your viewpoint. Not mine.

I don't think they prove that you agree, they simply prove that you are wrong

They prove a whole lot more than that i agree with their summation: that it isn't barbaric.
If you want to jump on the press bandwagon and be swayed by sensationalist reporting, be my guest.
You should read my quotes from the latimes again, which addresses the op's concerns that this particular case of lethal injection was barbaric.
The reports from the governor, amongst others, were of a event which unfortunately for you doesn't fit your definition of barbarity.
If you think their descriptions of the event that took place defines barbarity, well.....

Horses for courses old boy.
If you wish to equate humans with guinea pigs then it says a lot about you and your views

Now now, let's not spin this into a trivialization and make a mountain out of a mole hill.
And furthermore assume what i think of humanity, and that my morals towards humanity aren't in the right place.
I don't know if you know but we are addressing the op's point about this particular case where a crim was lawfully dealt with, in that state.
Was it barbaric that a treatment of lethal injection was given to that crim?
You say yes, i say no.
We agree to disagree.
If you want to start assuming that my moral fibres are lacking towards humans then we need to discuss that in another thread.
Here, in this thread, we are discussing the lawful execution of said crim.
Which has put some poeple's noses out of joint, including yours.

You have your own vision of what occurred there it seems, which conveniently doesn't fit in with the reports of the governor, amongst others.

Since their viewpoint would be considered an expert viewpoint by specialists in the business then it is based on fact unless you can prove that the experts are wrong

What is based on fact?
That the drugs don't work?
Rubbish.
The only thing the viewpoint is based on is that it's unconstitutional and inhumane.
That's not fact, that's a moral stance.
The drugs work, lab tests are conducted, which proves that the drugs work.
The botched lethal injections occur due to inexperienced administration of the drug or drugs.
Not because specialists have said that they don't work.
I will admit that specialists (not the ones consulting drug companies who have banned the supply) admitted that in the case of the 3 drug adminsitration, the first 2, which are barbituates, are really not necessary, and a lethal does of the third is only needed.
That's as far as that goes.
Hence why there are only a few states left that administer 3 drugs

But since there are and we are what is your point?

My point is that are lethal injections ok if there are no botched executions via lethal injection.

I think you do not understand what you are talking about.

I understand perfectly what i'm talking about.
Lethal Injections.
Am i right or am i right?

Since you are talking about live testing of unproven products of an unknown quality from questionable sources then you are talking about medical experimentation on live human subjects with the intention of causing death.

You are saying that all drugs are untested in labs before the supply is completed?
Think carefully here.
No experimentation is occurring, it's the administering of a single drug, in most states, apart from a few from 2009, which are still using the 3 drug injection, which is tried and proven.
If we were still in the experimental stages, as you claim, then i can guarantee you there would be a hell of a lot of botched executions, and a hell of a lot of threads like this started.
And people like you defining barbarity as something which only ties in with their moral beliefs.

We agree to disagree, this debate will go around and around and around.

EDIT: And i think we may have to define what a human is and what is not human.
Now i'm sure you will come up with a definition and comparison with a human who commits no crimes and is a law-abiding citizen, and a human who commits rape, pillage, murder, paedophilia and any other lovely crimes you wish to put into that fold to describe someone who is not human.
Are they both human? Genetics would say yes.
Do they deserve a clean and humane death, with absolutely no botched chances forthcoming?
I think that's where you stand.
I don't unfortunately, or actually, fortunately share your stance on that.

So questioning my moral fibre on my vies on whether a paedophile should be cared for and looked after until his or her final moments and that we should strive to uphold humanity and every moral fibre in our bodies to ensure that they not be given a barbaric execution is thankfully not something i need to stress about.