Just another botched execution...

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

Now you can add botched executions to the list. Is it any wonder that the list of states that have either abolished it, or put moratoriums on it keeps growing?

Blame the Europeans, if they didn't ban the sale of the drugs for executions then the US wouldn't be using these experimental cocktails.

On a lighter note, I've always favored an Escape from New York approach. Perhaps some desolate spot in the Aleutians. But sooner or later some intrepid reporter or social justice warrior will drop in for a look-see, and a tragedy will result....

They tried that, today it is called Australia

[Schroeder]

What always boggles my mind is how the US is carrying out the sentences. What's wrong with a guillotine or a shot in the neck (make that two if the gunner screws up the first)? But no, it had to be fancy with gas (not a pleasant way to die when your lung is full of acid which makes you drown in your own blood), electricity (what idiot ever got that idea???) or injecting funny cocktails that take hours to "work".
You can think about capital punishment what you want but the way the US carries them out is just disgusting and barbaric. Hell, if a country like North Kore has more humane execution methods (shot in the neck/head) then something is really messed up.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

injecting funny cocktails that take hours to "work"

Only in botched administration.

You can think about capital punishment what you want but the way the US carries them out is just disgusting and barbaric. Hell, if a country like North Kore has more humane execution methods (shot in the neck/head) then something is really messed up.

Let's not trivialize the reason why the majority of these so called people are there in the first place.
Botched administration doesn't make for pleasant viewing in the gallery.
But really, should this be entertainment in the first place?
Humane treatment is subjective.
Treatment via injection, gas chamber, shot to the neck, beheading, hanging, are any of these humane?
What makes a execution humane?
An execution that is clean, easy on the eye, death coming quickly with no pain?

Once again, we are trivializing just who these people are and how they got there for the treatment in the first place.
Let's not lose focus on that and argue about what's humane and what's not.
For the person that was (rightly convicted) of IN-humane acts towards others, deserves a HUMANE death?

Does the administration of lethal injection make us the same as the mass murderer or mass rapist?

If we have to ask this question, then we've lost focus already.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Let's not trivialize the reason why the majority of these so called people are there in the first place.

So the execution of an innocent person is what? Collateral damage?

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Oberon

So the execution of an innocent person is what? Collateral damage?

You're putting words in my mouth.
And conveniently leaving out "For the person that was (rightly convicted) of IN-humane acts towards others, deserves a HUMANE death?"

I should have been more specific and literal in the sentence you quoted me on.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

You're putting words in my mouth.
And conveniently leaving out "For the person that was (rightly convicted) of IN-humane acts towards others, deserves a HUMANE death?"

I should have been more specific and literal in the sentence you quoted me on.

The catch is making sure the right person is rightly convicted.

If you imprison a person for life and he's later found to be innocent, you can let him go and compensate him, if you execute him, you can't very well resurrect him (or her for that matter).

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The catch is making sure the right person is rightly convicted.

If you imprison a person for life and he's later found to be innocent, you can let him go and compensate him, if you execute him, you can't very well resurrect him (or her for that matter).

Agreed.
But this thread is bringing out the moral crusaders who are arguing for a clean pleasant treatment.

Not the rightful conviction crusaders.

Arguing about whether to use a treatment method or not, when the crime was abhorrent.

Strange.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The catch is making sure the right person is rightly convicted.

If you imprison a person for life and he's later found to be innocent, you can let him go and compensate him, if you execute him, you can't very well resurrect him (or her for that matter).

HEY! there is always the posthumous pardon (formal quash?)! who needs resurrection! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans & on our side of the pond: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/studies-posthumous-pardons-united-states

[Wolferz]

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
If we followed that idea, we wouldn't be able to cobble together an execution squad. Locking them in a cage and throwing away the key isn't more humane in my book. Forget the drugs, just put one in the brain stem and shut them off from the computer. Quick and easy and the perp won't feel a thing. If we really wanted to punish these animals, we would toss them into a pit full of hungry alligators and let nature take its course. Televise it on a reality show and the number of heinous crimes might inch toward zero. The Vegas bookies would have a field day with people betting on how long the criminal would last.

[Feuer Frei!]

And while the moral crusaders are out and about strolling around, it seems the much-advertised 'agonizing, hell hath no fury, inhumane and absolutely worse than the crime committed death the crim endured, seems inconclusive.
Not clear-cut.

Only thing that is clear-cut is that a treatment was adminiistered which took longer than the usual 5-18 minutes that a normal 3-drug treatment lasts for.

counted several hundred of his wheezes

Sounds painful and agonizing. Asthmatic who never done wrong in his or her life wheezes all their life.

One thing is certain, however, inmate Wood died in a lawful manner, and by eyewitness and medical accounts he did not suffer

This from the Governor, Brewer.
Sounds like a horrible agonizing death doesn't it?

The question of whether he suffered divided those who watched the procedure

Doesn't sound conclusive to me.

A spokeswoman for the Arizona attorney general's office who was also a witness disputed that. “There was no gasping of air. There was snoring,” Stephanie Grisham said. “He just laid there. It was quite peaceful.

Another account of an agonizing terrible death.

And so on....

Once again, let's not trivialize this.

And play to the sensationalized as per usual, and of course unsurprising reports from 'reporters'/media.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...723-story.html

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

I don't start arguing whether death penalty is good or not. I just ask this: If botched executions are problem, why don't you behead the convict? Guillotine should be relatively reliable and you can always have traditional axe as back up.

[mapuc]

Don't know if I should wish there were death penalty for some type of criminality in my country or not.
And again when thinking about it....not really

In the last 20 years, two male person have been accused and jailed for many years and it turned out they were innocent. Imagine these two person had been executed....

Markus

[Platapus]

Why can't we just use the same drugs we use to put down dogs and cats?

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Why can't we just use the same drugs we use to put down dogs and cats?

They already do:

pentobarbital. Called Nembutal.

http://rt.com/usa/texas-execution-hearn-animal-583/

https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=68249

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Blame the Europeans, if they didn't ban the sale of the drugs for executions then the US wouldn't be using these experimental cocktails.

Some Southern states are thinking of dusting off the electric chair. I just don't see that flying well in any department. Not to mention what might result from an unexpected power surge. Executions seem to be plagued by bad karma lately.

They tried that, today it is called Australia

So if we set up a penal colony on Adak Island, maybe in 200 years we get the arctic version of Vegemite, Russell Crowe and Nicole Kidman?