Silentotto CTD hunt.

[plj]

Hey all,


Since last two days made clear that RSD has little to do with the crashes some of us experience when starting new campaigns with silentotto, and the fact that we have been polluting multiple topics with random thoughts and bughunting, I thought it would be a good thing to start a new topic, bundle what we know, and go from there in the hunt for this bug.


Spreadsheet we where using with CTD campaings.

As we can see right there, the issue is not RSD related. It was present pre-RSD and only gets worse with RSD installed.

In order to create a baseline, testing will continue with this baselist:

Originally Posted by gap

Yes, good remark.

I didn't follow the issue from the beginning, but I suppose that plj, Mike & Co. have already tried with a minimal mod loadout. At least with the BoM campaign.

In any case, RSD is designed over EUF + NewUIs (especially the former), and OHII is also a prerequisite because the problem shows up in some campaigns, but not in all of them. Summing up, a minum testing configuration could be:

EUF + patch_1 + patch_1_hotfix ( + sober's patch_1 available by date)
Open Horizons
(New UI's)
RSD

I'm strongly tempted to add DynEnv in there as well .. should be compatible non ?

Part below this line I will try to keep updated as we gather info, to not let stuff drown. Bring to my attention if I miss something pls.
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Conflicts in JSGME for FX Update if added onto 'mike's' list

"Zones.cfg" has already been altered by the "OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2" mod.
"Zones.cfg" has already been altered by the "R.S.D. - Reworked Submarine Damage v5.3 by vdr1981" mod.
"flag.dat" has already been altered by the "OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2" mod.
"UBoot_Sensors.fx" has already been altered by the "NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_ByTheDarkWraith" mod.
"UBoot_Sensors.GR2" has already been altered by the "Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_Patch_1" mod.
"UBoot_Sensors.GR2" has already been altered by the "NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_ByTheDarkWraith" mod.
"UBoot_Sensors.sim" has already been altered by the "Equipment_Upgrades_Fix_v1_4_Patch_1" mod.
"UBoot_Sensors.sim" has already been altered by the "NewUIs_TDC_7_5_0_ByTheDarkWraith" mod.
"UBoot_Sensors.sim" has already been altered by the "IRAI_0_0_39_ByTheDarkWraith" mod.
"UBoot_Sensors.sim" has already been altered by the "R.E.M_by_Xrundel_TheBeast_1.2" mod.
"UBoot_Sensors.sim" has already been altered by the  "R.E.M_by_Xrundel_TheBeast_1.2 - no hyd on surface - NewUIs-IRAI  compatible" mod.
"NF_Boat_1.GR2" has already been altered by the "OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2" mod.
"NF_Boat_1_AO01.dds" has already been altered by the "OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2" mod.
"NF_Boat_1_LOD.GR2" has already been altered by the "OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2" mod.
"NF_Boat_1_sil.dds" has already been altered by the "OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2" mod.
"Sh.sdl" has already been altered by the "OPEN HORIZONS II_full v2.2" mod.
"Sh.sdl" has already been altered by the "RPM Hydrophone v2.2.1" mod.
"Sh.sdl" has already been altered by the "SH5Lifeboats by Rongel TDW stoianm v2.1" mod.
"Sh.sdl" has already been altered by the "SkyBaron's Bold SFX for SH5 1.0" mod.
"alexandria2.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"augusta.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"Big_generic.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"brest.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"calais.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"dieppe.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"lapallice.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"wilhelmshaven.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"gibraltar3.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"Kiel.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"La_Spezia.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"napoli4.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"navrik.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"palermo.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"pantelleria.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"danzig.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"hela.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"small_channel.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"small_generic.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"small_generic_mediu.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"taranto.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"Tobruk.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"Tripoli.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"Valletta.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"venezia.sim" has already been altered by the "TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke" mod.
"water_splash.dds" has already been altered by the "DynEnv v2.9 - 1. Main Mod" mod.

- Problem for me and mikemike47 has to do with introducing FX_Update_0_0_22_ByTheDarkWraith into our list. If we remove that, game runs normal. Please confirm mikemike47
- Problem is present in sober's list. Asked sober for confirmation in his topic. Will add a link to here with updated info. Please confirm sober
- Problem is NOT present in minimal modlist, as suggested by gap, and tested by me and as can be seen in the used spreadsheet.
- Problem is NOT present in minimal modlist + FX_Update_0_0_22_ByTheDarkWraith.
- Problem is NOT present in minimal modlist + FX_Update_0_0_22_ByTheDarkWraith + R.S.D. - Reworked Submarine Damage v5.3 by vdr1981

From this we can probably deduce a number of things:

1. The difference between the minimal modlist and sober's or mikemike47's list contains the cause for this issue.
2. Given the forlast test scenario, it's unlikely to be caused by FX_Update_0_0_22_ByTheDarkWraith itself.
3. Given the last test scenario, and the above listed conflicts in JSGME .. coupled to the fact that not all campaigns where CTD-ing, my guess would be to look in the <location>.sim files for the issue .. changed by TDW FX Fix for Sobers chimney smoke .. so I will try to add that next, and see what happens.