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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens
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Oh, man. One of my favorite subjects. How did I miss this?!
As an ex-server who's to be married to an ex-bartender, I have a lot of opinions on the subject.
The worst were the hardcore churchgoers who would tip you with their bible tracts.
If you ever want to enrage a server and ensure that you'll be eating spit or food that's fallen on the floor the next time you visit that particular restaurant, go ahead and leave that as your tip.
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.
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USUALLY, the automatic grat can be removed upon request. There are some restaurants that make it a requirement, and it's posted very conspicuously near the door if that's the case.
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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens
It's necessary to have that for large parties because in many cases, a party of 8 will tip like a party of 3.
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YES. This is exactly why the automatic grat system was initiated.
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Originally Posted by Skybird
I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.
Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.
If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then.
By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it.
Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers).
So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff.
To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer.
Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo. Ferenghis no doubt love it.
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Well Sky, it's a bit different over here. The prices on restaurant menus are cheaper here, because they're only the price for the food. The tip is the price you pay for the service. It's up to you, on the honor system, to determine how well the service was and what sort of tip is warranted. You can rail against the system and say it's not fair and the employer should pay more, blah blah, but it doesn't change anything. Those servers are relying on tips to live upon. The price of the service is not built into the menu price. So no, it's not an "extra" given out for good service. Maybe in Europe it is, but not here.
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Once my brother, at a restaurant, asked the waitress no less than 5 times for ketchup. It never came. When he got up to leave he stated to waitress he left the tip under the ketchup.  |
That's hilarious. Only one time have I been so pissed as to leave a $0.05 tip. I made sure it was $0.05 because I wanted her to know that I'm the type of guy who tips generously, but her service was only worth a nickel. When I have to go over to the coffee stand and pour my own coffee because I've asked for it multiple times to no avail, that's nickel-worthy service.
02-01-13, 08:53 PM
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