EU and US colliding head-on at Bali climate conference

Skybird · 12-13-07, 05:10 PM

What was to be expected - the US successfully prevents any obligatory climate goals and deals words for more wasting time, not deeds getting done. Stupid, and irresponsible up to criminal dimensions.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...523027,00.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...523211,00.html

click on the tabs for general overview data:
http://www.spiegel.de/flash/0,5532,16836,00.html

bookworm_020 · 12-13-07, 05:33 PM

Australia is stuck in the middle of the two, trying to solve the impass, but coping it from both sides!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environme...135655538.html

Iceman · 12-13-07, 11:28 PM

China ranks 40 Russia 50 and the US 55....and yet you still spin the wheels groping to figure it out.....your screwed buddy...plan for it.

Blacklight · 12-13-07, 11:46 PM

All I can say is.. "Thank you Bush Administration".
This current administration isn't interested in anything unless the sale of oil is involved in some way, shape or form, or unless there's some way to make the wealthiest people in the US richer.

This current administration has no interest in the environment at all. Heck ! One of the first things that George W. did when he got into the White House was to begin procedures to reverse Bill Clinton's order that an area that an oil company wanted to drill in Alaska be considered a nature preserve and non-drillable.

Untill we get an administration change, the US unfortunately is NOT going to be environmentally friendly. Right now, the Oil industries and other big business like it are pretty much running the country.

Pray that we're able to kick the bums out durring the next elections.

Ducimus · 12-13-07, 11:49 PM

- A good portion of Americans, think global warming is a bunch of crap. This is to say that opinion is highly divided on this issue, and has unfortunatly been painted up in this country as a liberal vs conservative issue.

- Just my opininon, but i think we as a people (Americans), are high resistant to change. We typically dont change our ways, and don't bend over, or backwards, or even a little bit to the side, for anybody. From something as trivial as "i always park my car here" on up to larger issues, we're typically pretty stubborn.

- So long as a president is in office that puts corporate and special intrests as first prioirty, don't expect any cooperation rom the Oval office anytime soon.

August · 12-14-07, 02:02 AM

All I can say is thank God for a President who won't sell our country down the river.

Here's an example of some of the proposals Skybird thinks we're criminals for not accepting.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/123846.html

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Without going into the details, the Greenhouse Development Rights Framework (GDR) proposal foresees levying the equivalent of a climate "consumption luxury tax" on every person who earns over a "development threshold" of $9,000 per year. The idea is that rich people got rich in part by dumping carbon dioxide (CO2) from fossil fuels into the atmosphere, leaving less space for poor people to dump their emissions. In one scenario, Americans would pay the equivalent of a $780 per person luxury tax annually, which amounts to sending $212 billion per year in climate reparations to poor countries to aid their development and help them adapt to climate change

NEON DEON · 12-14-07, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by August

All I can say is thank God for a President who won't sell our country down the river.

Here's an example of some of the proposals Skybird thinks we're criminals for not accepting.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/123846.html

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Without going into the details, the Greenhouse Development Rights Framework (GDR) proposal foresees levying the equivalent of a climate "consumption luxury tax" on every person who earns over a "development threshold" of $9,000 per year. The idea is that rich people got rich in part by dumping carbon dioxide (CO2) from fossil fuels into the atmosphere, leaving less space for poor people to dump their emissions. In one scenario, Americans would pay the equivalent of a $780 per person luxury tax annually, which amounts to sending $212 billion per year in climate reparations to poor countries to aid their development and help them adapt to climate change

The fox guarding the chicken coop.

Ronald bailey author

http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=2

My take on Bailey over the years.

Oh global warning is smoke and mirrors. Oh maybe not. Ok so its a problem but we cant do anything about it in a timely fashion and besides its gonna cost alot of money to do. I didnt know exxon was a funder.

I think Bailey is full of it.

Next up the NRA does study saying guns are not dangerous. :rotfl: :rotfl:

August · 12-14-07, 08:37 AM

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Next up the NRA does study saying guns are not dangerous. :rotfl: :rotfl:

You can laugh but how does a gun hurt someone without a human to point and operate it?

VipertheSniper · 12-14-07, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by August

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Next up the NRA does study saying guns are not dangerous. :rotfl: :rotfl:

You can laugh but how does a gun hurt someone without a human to point and operate it?

I demand we ban people and human apes then instead of guns...

mrbeast · 12-14-07, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Next up the NRA does study saying guns are not dangerous. :rotfl: :rotfl:

You can laugh but how does a gun hurt someone without a human to point and operate it?

I demand we ban people and human apes then instead of guns...

Banning people might not be such a bad idea:hmm:

STEED · 12-14-07, 02:42 PM

Saw the news and Europe backs down, well that's a wrap.

The WosMan · 12-14-07, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Next up the NRA does study saying guns are not dangerous. :rotfl: :rotfl:

You can laugh but how does a gun hurt someone without a human to point and operate it?

Didn't you know that they can jump up off the table and randomly shoot people?

NEON DEON · 12-14-07, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The WosMan

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Next up the NRA does study saying guns are not dangerous. :rotfl: :rotfl:

You can laugh but how does a gun hurt someone without a human to point and operate it?

Didn't you know that they can jump up off the table and randomly shoot people?

Earthqauke :rotfl:

The eight year old gets it shoots himself or his friend stuff like that.

Or, VP Dick Cheney gets one and well you know what happens when Dick gets a hold of one.

Guns are dangerous.

RickC Sniper · 12-14-07, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Guns are dangerous.

Actually it is people who are dangerous. A gun is simply a tool.

NEON DEON · 12-14-07, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Guns are dangerous.

Actually it is people who are dangerous. A gun is simply a tool.

No its a weapon

A tool is a socket wrench.

12-13-07, 05:10 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,624 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	EU and US colliding head-on at Bali climate conference What was to be expected - the US successfully prevents any obligatory climate goals and deals words for more wasting time, not deeds getting done. Stupid, and irresponsible up to criminal dimensions. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...523027,00.html http://www.spiegel.de/international/...523211,00.html click on the tabs for general overview data: http://www.spiegel.de/flash/0,5532,16836,00.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-13-07, 05:33 PM	#2
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Australia is stuck in the middle of the two, trying to solve the impass, but coping it from both sides! http://www.smh.com.au/news/environme...135655538.html __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

12-13-07, 11:46 PM	#4
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	All I can say is.. "Thank you Bush Administration". This current administration isn't interested in anything unless the sale of oil is involved in some way, shape or form, or unless there's some way to make the wealthiest people in the US richer. This current administration has no interest in the environment at all. Heck ! One of the first things that George W. did when he got into the White House was to begin procedures to reverse Bill Clinton's order that an area that an oil company wanted to drill in Alaska be considered a nature preserve and non-drillable. Untill we get an administration change, the US unfortunately is NOT going to be environmentally friendly. Right now, the Oil industries and other big business like it are pretty much running the country. Pray that we're able to kick the bums out durring the next elections. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

12-14-07, 02:42 PM	#11
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Saw the news and Europe backs down, well that's a wrap. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

12-13-07, 11:28 PM	#3
Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	China ranks 40 Russia 50 and the US 55....and yet you still spin the wheels groping to figure it out.....your screwed buddy...plan for it.

12-13-07, 11:49 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	- A good portion of Americans, think global warming is a bunch of crap. This is to say that opinion is highly divided on this issue, and has unfortunatly been painted up in this country as a liberal vs conservative issue. - Just my opininon, but i think we as a people (Americans), are high resistant to change. We typically dont change our ways, and don't bend over, or backwards, or even a little bit to the side, for anybody. From something as trivial as "i always park my car here" on up to larger issues, we're typically pretty stubborn. - So long as a president is in office that puts corporate and special intrests as first prioirty, don't expect any cooperation rom the Oval office anytime soon.