Outrageous penalty for friendly kill

Canovaro · 07-31-07, 12:27 PM

I had a fair amount of renown (1500) when I sunk a german merchant for about 11,000 grt. Okay it was stupid, I know.

But the same patrol I sunk 25,000 grt of allied ships and the next patrol another 29,000 grt of allied ships.

I still have -400 renown, and although it was a stupid mistake to sink that German ship, I think the penalty in renown is outrageous!
I can forget about any upgrades let alone a new boot.

XLjedi · 07-31-07, 12:32 PM

Sounds to me like you got off easy...

If it were realistic, you would've been court martialed, stripped of command and possibly served prison time or been shot.

Penelope_Grey · 07-31-07, 12:41 PM

Sink a hospital ship and see what happens! You defiinately got off lightly.

SmokinTep · 07-31-07, 12:48 PM

You're supposed to use your torpedos on the enemy............

Klaus_Doldinger · 07-31-07, 02:12 PM

U-333 also sank a german merchant. His commander, KL Cremer, was court-martialed but absolved, because the Spreewald (that was the ship) was in a wrong position.

I knew this story by a BdU message during a patrol. The last message said: "Cremer, Sie sind Idiot!":rotfl:

DirtyACE · 07-31-07, 02:15 PM

So I take it the Spreewald wasn't flying the German flag aside from being in the wrong position? Would you see his flag through the periscope?

danurve · 07-31-07, 03:00 PM

I saw shore batteries blast a Hospital ship just outside of Trondheim, bet THEY didn't get slapped

Interesting the mention of "Spreewald" An unfortunate occurance.
The radiolog eXpansion project has several messages covering Spreewald btw.

Klaus_Doldinger · 07-31-07, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyACE

So I take it the Spreewald wasn't flying the German flag aside from being in the wrong position? Would you see his flag through the periscope?

Yes. The true story is that the "Spreewald" was flying the norwegian flag as the merchat "Elg" of that nationality. She used wrong radio codes and was in the wrong position, so Cremer sunk it. He just couldn´t imagine that he was in fact sinking a german merchant... who carried aboard 300 prisoners taken by the raider "Kormoran".

This story is taken from a phantastic U-boote page in spanish, Uhistoria.com:

http://www.u-historia.com/uhistoria/...inhistoria.htm

If you know spanish language, don´t forget to visit this page. Simply phantastic.

And also phantastic the work of GWX team: I received this message (a lot of messages between BdU and Cremer) while I was heading to Freetown aboard my boat.

GWX devteam, uhistoria. nice work!!

CapZap1970 · 08-01-07, 02:02 PM

Do you think that was an outrageus penalty????

Wait until you have to face a firing squad in Altona or Neuengamme.
Then you wil have reasons to cmplain about it.

CapZap

STEED · 08-01-07, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Sink a hospital ship and see what happens! You defiinately got off lightly.

Been there

Done it

Who cares

Not me :rotfl:

Brag · 08-01-07, 05:24 PM

Canovaro: Go clean ashtrays at BDU. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Canovaro · 08-02-07, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brag

Canovaro: Go clean ashtrays at BDU. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Now that's what I would call a sim!

GoldenRivet · 08-02-07, 04:04 PM

when you finish that you can clean the head of every ship in port right down to that rather trashed looking fishing trawler.

how did you manage to sink the german ship? Poor weather? thick fog? on purpose just to see what would happen?

SH3 does a pretty good job of splitting up the good guys from the bad guys... seems like a difficult mistake to make unless it was a long shot in weather at night or something.

Klaus_Doldinger · 08-02-07, 04:59 PM

That merchant was in the wrong place using the wrong codes.

(Attorney at law of KptLt. Canavaro)

Brag · 08-02-07, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Klaus_Doldinger

That merchant was in the wrong place using the wrong codes.

(Attorney at law of KptLt. Canavaro)

Los abogados ya llegaron hasta aqui!

07-31-07, 12:27 PM	#1
Canovaro Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,062 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Outrageous penalty for friendly kill I had a fair amount of renown (1500) when I sunk a german merchant for about 11,000 grt. Okay it was stupid, I know. But the same patrol I sunk 25,000 grt of allied ships and the next patrol another 29,000 grt of allied ships. I still have -400 renown, and although it was a stupid mistake to sink that German ship, I think the penalty in renown is outrageous! I can forget about any upgrades let alone a new boot.

07-31-07, 12:32 PM	#2
XLjedi Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 8	Sounds to me like you got off easy... If it were realistic, you would've been court martialed, stripped of command and possibly served prison time or been shot. __________________

07-31-07, 12:41 PM	#3
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sink a hospital ship and see what happens! You defiinately got off lightly. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

07-31-07, 02:12 PM	#5
Klaus_Doldinger Planesman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Posts: 198 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	U-333 also sank a german merchant. His commander, KL Cremer, was court-martialed but absolved, because the Spreewald (that was the ship) was in a wrong position. I knew this story by a BdU message during a patrol. The last message said: "Cremer, Sie sind Idiot!":rotfl: __________________ OL zS. Siegfried Rollmann, U 108 in WaW IV, 6th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (111.829 BRT) Lt zS Klaus Doldinger (U 36), 4th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (50.713 BRT) SH3 Cmdr 3.1 GWX 3.0 GWX 16 Km atmosphere GWX no medals on crew GWX open hatch GWX Saint Nazaire, Schleuse and units OLC GUI 1.2.7 Thomsen´s sound Torpedo damage final Rubini´s lifeboats and debris D.i.D.

07-31-07, 03:00 PM	#7
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	I saw shore batteries blast a Hospital ship just outside of Trondheim, bet THEY didn't get slapped Interesting the mention of "Spreewald" An unfortunate occurance. The radiolog eXpansion project has several messages covering Spreewald btw. __________________

07-31-07, 12:48 PM	#4
SmokinTep Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 1,027 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You're supposed to use your torpedos on the enemy............

07-31-07, 02:15 PM	#6
DirtyACE Engineer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 213 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	So I take it the Spreewald wasn't flying the German flag aside from being in the wrong position? Would you see his flag through the periscope?

08-01-07, 02:02 PM	#9
CapZap1970 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: La Paz, Bolivia Posts: 1,965 Downloads: 275 Uploads: 51	Do you think that was an outrageus penalty???? Wait until you have to face a firing squad in Altona or Neuengamme. Then you wil have reasons to cmplain about it. CapZap __________________

08-01-07, 05:24 PM	#11
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Canovaro: Go clean ashtrays at BDU. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

08-02-07, 04:04 PM	#13
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	when you finish that you can clean the head of every ship in port right down to that rather trashed looking fishing trawler. how did you manage to sink the german ship? Poor weather? thick fog? on purpose just to see what would happen? SH3 does a pretty good job of splitting up the good guys from the bad guys... seems like a difficult mistake to make unless it was a long shot in weather at night or something. __________________

08-02-07, 04:59 PM	#14
Klaus_Doldinger Planesman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Posts: 198 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	That merchant was in the wrong place using the wrong codes. (Attorney at law of KptLt. Canavaro) __________________ OL zS. Siegfried Rollmann, U 108 in WaW IV, 6th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (111.829 BRT) Lt zS Klaus Doldinger (U 36), 4th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (50.713 BRT) SH3 Cmdr 3.1 GWX 3.0 GWX 16 Km atmosphere GWX no medals on crew GWX open hatch GWX Saint Nazaire, Schleuse and units OLC GUI 1.2.7 Thomsen´s sound Torpedo damage final Rubini´s lifeboats and debris D.i.D.