Who Started World War II?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Probably just as well that this nonsense is wrapped up before the 27th, given what it is in the UK that day.

^Precisely

[Fahnenbohn]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Excellent. When you post translations (or link to them) could you also provide access to original language documents?

Thanks in advance!

Yes, OK.

[Rockin Robbins]

As for my simply stipulating that Fahr... made the claim and Steve denying that he did so, here are some, but not all the holocaust denials by Fahr... in this thread:

Originally Posted by Cybermat47
11000000 people are known to have died in the Holocaust alone.
Originally posted by Fahr...That's absolutely wrong, but I don't have the right to talk about this subject on this forum.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

If revisionist thesis on Jews' extermination were wrong, it would be easy for historians to organize a debate in which they would eventually ridicule the liars. But what happens is the opposite ! The revisionist historians are asking for a debate for years, and the only answer is always : this historical fact is incontestable. So I say : we have the right to request proof of the official historians' competence prior to believe them. They have to debate... but now, it is forbidden ... strange, isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

But in the facts, that's what happens in France, because persecution is the ONLY answer to the revisionist's thesis, which is far from ridiculous and light. Some historians have worked over 50 years of their life on the subject.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

This is obvious that you never heard about revisionists's thesis. Otherwise, you would not say that they are nasty liars ! ...

So Fahr...has repeatedly denied the holocaust. And others have taken him up on it without being warned because they were merely (as I have been) replying to a subject already opened by Fahr...

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Not at all. Here in France, it's literally forbidden to express our opinions on certain historical subjects. Even historians are brought to justice. There is an OFFICIAL thesis (based on a contradictory story, by the bye), and you MUST believe in it.



Yes, exactly. But it is the only way to prevent a debate to take place.
If revisionist thesis on Jews' extermination were wrong, it would be easy for historians to organize a debate in which they would eventually ridicule the liars. But what happens is the opposite ! The revisionist historians are asking for a debate for years, and the only answer is always : this historical fact is incontestable. So I say : we have the right to request proof of the official historians' competence prior to believe them. They have to debate... but now, it is forbidden ... strange, isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Catfish

The re-education is of course a fact.
That does not automatically imply that it consisted partially or completely of outright lies.
Nor does it imply that the killings of minorities did not take place.
Some facts, please, and not a book list.


Also, i find it always "interesting", how - on one side - the killing is outright denied, but on the other hand the people claiming the denial obviously have not much sympathy for those minorities, may it be back then or today. So they do have an agenda, and one can easily deduct what would happen, if those people came to power again.

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

That's wrong. Even some Jewish intellectuals and rabbis admit that revisionits say the truth. And the only question here is : is it right or wrong ? and not : is it "good" or "bad".

Originally Posted by Fahnenbohn

Good, so don't say that what I say is absurd before I've started to speak.

For having a better idea on the official story, please see here :

The video by David Irving is a video denying the holocaust, introduced by Fahr....

How many times must he specifically deny the holocaust existed before he becomes a holocaust denier? This is not even all the times Fahr... made this claim. I just stopped looking when this post got to ridiculous length. I say whatever standard you wish to erect, he has surpassed it. I stand on my factual statements. They are nothing but a repeating and repudiation of his clearly stated position in this thread.

[Fahnenbohn]

@ Roky Robins : You have very strange ideas about freedom of thought and expression ...

[Dowly]

Yes, RR, everyone knows he is a holocaust denier, but that is not the subject of the thread as moderators have multiple times said.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Yes, RR, everyone knows he is a holocaust denier, but that is not the subject of the thread as moderators have multiple times said.

I was warned for unprovokedly calling him a holocaust denier. Taunting is what it was called. When I replied on the thread, I was told that Fahr... never denied the holocaust, because if he had the thread would have been closed immediately and Fahr... shut down. This prompted me to examine the record, such examination revealing multiple times when Fahr... denied the holocaust, opening the subject for my fair rebuttal.

Now in a debate, when one party opens a subject he opens that subject for all to participate. You cannot just make naked statements of foolishness and prohibit rebuttal.

My rebuttal came in the form of pointing out the contradiction of Adolph's pride of accomplishment in the millions of murders, combined with his telegraphing of his intentions even before the war. Adolph's pride contrasts ludicrously with his worshipers' denial of their deity's crowning achievement. He would call them cowards. He would let them join those interned and murdered in the camps.

Now that bears directly on his claimed "evidence" that the Allies started World War II. Because if a party of a debate has no credibility by directly denying what Hitler was proudest of. Then nothing he can say will support his contention. So he has announced that he will produce "proof." He has given up all credibility. Therefore regardless of the nature of his "proof" it will not suffice to support his side of the debate.

Imagine! He denies that he denied the holocaust. What does that make him?

[Fahnenbohn]

RR, are you a policeman or functionary of the Ministry of Thought ?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

As for my simply stipulating that Fahr... made the claim and Steve denying that he did so, here are some, but not all the holocaust denials by Fahr... in this thread:







So Fahr...has repeatedly denied the holocaust. And others have taken him up on it without being warned because they were merely (as I have been) replying to a subject already opened by Fahr...









The video by David Irving is a video denying the holocaust, introduced by Fahr....

How many times must he specifically deny the holocaust existed before he becomes a holocaust denier? This is not even all the times Fahr... made this claim. I just stopped looking when this post got to ridiculous length. I say whatever standard you wish to erect, he has surpassed it. I stand on my factual statements. They are nothing but a repeating and repudiation of his clearly stated position in this thread.

I am currently at work and remain unimpressed at your posting content.

Assurances have been given in good faith and repeated requests have been made for acceptable behaviour on this thread.

Now out of respect for Neal and the moderation team pleas take note of the post recently made by Dowly.

I thank you in advance for your cooperation.

[Rockin Robbins]

I see the rules of debate are not allowed to be followed here. I see no reason to participate further when absolute quotes of denial are called "unimpressive." They aren't made to be impressive. They are made to reflect the truth of what Fahr.. contends. They do that beyond any standard of proof.

He is allowed to make clear statements that I and others are not allowed to rebut. Fine. If he supplies his evidence it will be dealt with according to whatever rules cripple my response. Because the facts are so lopsided no amount of handicap toward the truth will prevent his side from losing anyway. The slightest light destroys the darkness.

[Fahnenbohn]

RR If you don't want to participate, go away and stop posting. Thx.

[mapuc]

I follow Steve's suggestion

I'm only writing this to say:

I await those, so called famouse documents-which are going to, as I have been told, knock my feet of the ground and my chin drop to the floor.

Markus

[Betonov]

I agree with Rockin Robbins and if he's infracted in any way I'm filling an official protest.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I agree with Rockin Robbins and if he's infracted in any way I'm filling an official protest.

I absolutely agree, and I'll join you in that protest. Hopefully we never have to do it.

The fact is that Fahnenbohn is a Holocaust denier who openly expressed his views - something that is clearly banned by the Subsim rules.

And imagine if a newcomer comes to the site and sees this!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

I absolutely agree, and I'll join you in that protest. Hopefully we never have to do it.

The fact is that Fahnenbohn is a Holocaust denier who openly expressed his views - something that is clearly banned by the Subsim rules.

Still...could be worse...

He could be a Muslim.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Still...could be worse...

He could be a Muslim.