Kind of ironic this happened...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

What does this have to do with rear ending your car? Were you really so affected by a Mexican rear ending your car that you had to tell us?

And are you absolutely sure that he was illegal to begin with? Did you check for his citizenship?

I did feel the need to mention it since we were just discussing illegals in an earlier thread.I am now a victim of America's broken immigration system and non secured border.Makes the issue just hit home even more, we were lucky were not injured even more.Although my neck is still pretty sore.

[AVGWarhawk]

Everyone is a victim......

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

I agree. As long as you're a citizen of the Reich- sorry,United States, you can commit as many crimes as you like, because you're not a Jew- sorry, Mexican.


But seriously, I'm pretty sure that most of your opinions are American Nazi party policy.

Stop race baiting, this has nothing to do with race.I would be just as angry if it were an illegal immigrants from europe.Bottom line, they have no right to be here for many reasons, ranging from their effects on the economy, crime, resources etc then they actually harm me or someone I care about, it just further lets me know why it is wrong this problem is left as it is.

My DUI? I was not drunk

Read what was written.

Though I think you understand it perfectly and are just trying to dodge it because it makes your complaint look weak.

BTW.

Stop race baiting, this has nothing to do with race.

Can you refresh your memory about the closing post in your last "illegal immigrant" topic?

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Read what was written.

Maybe you can enlighten us. I didn't read anything about Bubblehead drinking or having a DUI. Maybe something has been edited, I don't know. And can you include who you are quoting in your quotes? It would be appreciated.

I understand where Bubblehead is coming from and I think if any one of us had an incident like this happen to them, would be equally upset...well, upset.

It's very frustrating because the subject is unaccountable for his actions and can now probably fade away into the shadows with no recourse for his victims. It's simply not right and not what the USA is...or was about.

[Penguin]

First: good that none of the passengers got hurt - not good that the drunk driver didn't.

The irony however lies elsewhere.
According to Bubblehead, if the cops would have stopped the driver before the accident it would have been "government extortion" - also refusing to do a sobriety test is an advice he gave in the very same thread I quote:

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Truth is, there is DUI according to the idiotic laws most have and actual DUI. The common .08 limit is BS, people are not drunk at the level yet plenty of people get arrested, foolishly submit to their tests and get convicted, then get caught in the government racket, costing them thousands of dollars [..]

and:

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

08 is a ridiculously low limit but it allows them to get people into the money racket based on what "might" happen.Someone causes a wreck and is actually drunk, okay they deserve punishment, but the harsh penalties for being over some arbitrary limit set by the government? not right.I think a citation, order to leave the car on the side of the road and call a cab would be much more sensible and warranted but then they government would not get to extort thousands of dollars from the victims of their oppressive laws now would they?

so: the car is no wreck, but only got bumped into, a cab should have been called...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Father Goose

Maybe you can enlighten us. I didn't read anything about Bubblehead drinking or having a DUI. Maybe something has been edited, I don't know. And can you include who you are quoting in your quotes? It would be appreciated.

I understand where Bubblehead is coming from and I think if any one of us had an incident like this happen to them, would be equally upset...well, upset.

It's very frustrating because the subject is unaccountable for his actions and can now probably fade away into the shadows with no recourse for his victims. It's simply not right and not what the USA is...or was about.

Nothing was edited pertaining to my drinking.I had not even had anything to drink at that point and even if I had, it would have in no way been my fault since I was parked perfectly, in a parking spot downtown.Tribesman is just trying to troll here because he has a personal issue with me.The illegal immigrant driver of the vehicle that hit us was too far over and probably could not tell because he was so intoxicated.The Police Officer who handled the case is supposed to call me when he is on duty this evening.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Penguin

First: good that none of the passengers got hurt - not good that the drunk driver didn't.

The irony however lies elsewhere.
According to Bubblehead, if the cops would have stopped the driver before the accident it would have been "government extortion" - also refusing to do a sobriety test is an advice he gave in the very same thread I quote:


and:


so: the car is no wreck, but only got bumped into, a cab should have been called...

Taking my views on the extortion that most DUI charges are, out of context.I was saying the .08 limit is extremely low and people who get charged DUI when not intoxicated but some science that is questionable says they are impaired, are extorted out of thousands and thousands of dollars, between the courts and "DUI industry" that includes MADD, counseling, AA etc well its wrong.The illegal immigrant driver who hit me, not sure what his BAC was, last heard he was refusing all tests but was easy to see he was very intoxicated.Had this fool been pulled over and arrested, would not call it extortion but the cops doing their job since he was actually intoxicated and operating a motor vehicle, which lead to a collision.Luckily, it was a relatively minor accident.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Everyone is a victim......

There's the problem

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Taking my views on the extortion that most DUI charges are, out of context.I was saying the .08 limit is extremely low and people who get charged DUI when not intoxicated but some science that is questionable says they are impaired, are extorted out of thousands and thousands of dollars, between the courts and "DUI industry" that includes MADD, counseling, AA etc well its wrong.The illegal immigrant driver who hit me, not sure what his BAC was, last heard he was refusing all tests but was easy to see he was very intoxicated.Had this fool been pulled over and arrested, would not call it extortion but the cops doing their job since he was actually intoxicated and operating a motor vehicle, which lead to a collision.Luckily, it was a relatively minor accident.

You said that the it's not ok to charge someone with a DUI as long as nothing happened. Following this logic, the police should not had him have pulled over, if they had the chance before. One law for all.
Though logic might be a strong word, following your line of thought: scientific studies about BAC levels and its relation to driving impairment are bs, but you can determine if a person is intoxicated?

Just do a self test, play any driving sim, before and after a bunch of beers. Compare the round times and accident rate. Even better would be a game where unexpected things happen, e.g. GTA.

Originally Posted by Father Goose

Maybe you can enlighten us. I didn't read anything about Bubblehead drinking or having a DUI. Maybe something has been edited, I don't know. And can you include who you are quoting in your quotes? It would be appreciated.


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I shall leave that to bubbles to clear up.
He does seem to be dodging it though.

I understand where Bubblehead is coming from and I think if any one of us had an incident like this happen to them, would be equally upset...well, upset.

upset is natural.

It's very frustrating because the subject is unaccountable for his actions and can now probably fade away into the shadows with no recourse for his victims. It's simply not right and not what the USA is...or was about

He is not unaccountable, the laws of the land apply regardless of immigration status.

@bubbles

Nothing was edited pertaining to my drinking.I had not even had anything to drink at that point and even if I had, it would have in no way been my fault since I was parked perfectly, in a parking spot downtown.

Who said anything about "at that point"?
One of these "money rackets" you object to that hits people who drink and drive is the later loading of insurance premiums. Some people foolishly try and avoid that loading, but that makes their insurance invalid.
As for your second point, epic fail, it would just be a slightly different charge if you had of been drinking on that occasion(which no one has suggested).

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Even better would be a game where unexpected things happen, e.g. GTA.

Maybe... but if you see a Zebra pole dancing, you're not drunk, it's just a mod

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

He is not unaccountable, the laws of the land apply regardless of immigration status.

Can't even respond to that it is so absurd.

Can't even respond to that it is so absurd.

Nothing absurd at all, unless of course you can point to a law that says criminal laws don't apply to criminals unless they have citizenship.
Your jails are full of illegal aliens serving time prior to deportation.
One funny aspect of that silly knee jerk law Arizona introduced was that it made it nearly impossible to deport convicts after they had served their time.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I shall leave that to bubbles to clear up.
He does seem to be dodging it though.


upset is natural.


He is not unaccountable, the laws of the land apply regardless of immigration status.

@bubbles

Who said anything about "at that point"?
One of these "money rackets" you object to that hits people who drink and drive is the later loading of insurance premiums. Some people foolishly try and avoid that loading, but that makes their insurance invalid.
As for your second point, epic fail, it would just be a slightly different charge if you had of been drinking on that occasion(which no one has suggested).

I'm not dodging anything! You asked in another post "what about your DUI?" I was not drinking. Yes, DUI laws are a big money racket in many ways.However, they are useful in actual cases of drunk driving.My gripe is more with the absurdly low BAC limit in most state and how people who were not actually drunk and no threat get hammered and even those who were do not just get punished, they get extorted for thousands and thousands of dollars.Higher insurance premiums and the mandatory FR-22 SR-22 insurance required after is ridiculous as well.

All of that aside, this is about immigration and the fact that my girlfriend and I were put in real danger by an individual that was not supposed to be in this country to begin with, since is an illegal immigrant.Aside from his initial criminal behavior or being in the country, he decided to operate a motor vehicle without a license, without insurance and intoxicated, then tried to fleet in his stupor and sure if I had not reached in and snatched his keys away, he would have continued trying to back away until ripped the bumper etc off and fled, no doubt causing more harm.This shows he has absolutely no respect for our country, it's laws, the rights of the actual citizens etc, has no place here but in jail and then on a bus back to whatever hole he came from, the end.