Kind of ironic this happened...

Originally Posted by Father Goose

Maybe you can enlighten us. I didn't read anything about Bubblehead drinking or having a DUI. Maybe something has been edited, I don't know. And can you include who you are quoting in your quotes? It would be appreciated.


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I shall leave that to bubbles to clear up.
He does seem to be dodging it though.

I understand where Bubblehead is coming from and I think if any one of us had an incident like this happen to them, would be equally upset...well, upset.

upset is natural.

It's very frustrating because the subject is unaccountable for his actions and can now probably fade away into the shadows with no recourse for his victims. It's simply not right and not what the USA is...or was about

He is not unaccountable, the laws of the land apply regardless of immigration status.

@bubbles

Nothing was edited pertaining to my drinking.I had not even had anything to drink at that point and even if I had, it would have in no way been my fault since I was parked perfectly, in a parking spot downtown.

Who said anything about "at that point"?
One of these "money rackets" you object to that hits people who drink and drive is the later loading of insurance premiums. Some people foolishly try and avoid that loading, but that makes their insurance invalid.
As for your second point, epic fail, it would just be a slightly different charge if you had of been drinking on that occasion(which no one has suggested).

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

He is not unaccountable, the laws of the land apply regardless of immigration status.

Can't even respond to that it is so absurd.

Can't even respond to that it is so absurd.

Nothing absurd at all, unless of course you can point to a law that says criminal laws don't apply to criminals unless they have citizenship.
Your jails are full of illegal aliens serving time prior to deportation.
One funny aspect of that silly knee jerk law Arizona introduced was that it made it nearly impossible to deport convicts after they had served their time.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I shall leave that to bubbles to clear up.
He does seem to be dodging it though.


upset is natural.


He is not unaccountable, the laws of the land apply regardless of immigration status.

@bubbles

Who said anything about "at that point"?
One of these "money rackets" you object to that hits people who drink and drive is the later loading of insurance premiums. Some people foolishly try and avoid that loading, but that makes their insurance invalid.
As for your second point, epic fail, it would just be a slightly different charge if you had of been drinking on that occasion(which no one has suggested).

I'm not dodging anything! You asked in another post "what about your DUI?" I was not drinking. Yes, DUI laws are a big money racket in many ways.However, they are useful in actual cases of drunk driving.My gripe is more with the absurdly low BAC limit in most state and how people who were not actually drunk and no threat get hammered and even those who were do not just get punished, they get extorted for thousands and thousands of dollars.Higher insurance premiums and the mandatory FR-22 SR-22 insurance required after is ridiculous as well.

All of that aside, this is about immigration and the fact that my girlfriend and I were put in real danger by an individual that was not supposed to be in this country to begin with, since is an illegal immigrant.Aside from his initial criminal behavior or being in the country, he decided to operate a motor vehicle without a license, without insurance and intoxicated, then tried to fleet in his stupor and sure if I had not reached in and snatched his keys away, he would have continued trying to back away until ripped the bumper etc off and fled, no doubt causing more harm.This shows he has absolutely no respect for our country, it's laws, the rights of the actual citizens etc, has no place here but in jail and then on a bus back to whatever hole he came from, the end.

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I'm not dodging anything! You asked in another post "what about your DUI?" I was not drinking. Yes, DUI laws are a big money racket in many ways.However, they are useful in actual cases of drunk driving.My gripe is more with the absurdly low BAC limit in most state and how people who were not actually drunk and no threat get hammered and even those who were do not just get punished, they get extorted for thousands and thousands of dollars.Higher insurance premiums and the mandatory FR-22 SR-22 insurance required after is ridiculous as well.

Young man stop dodging. It has nothing to do with any drinking at the time of the incident. What was your insurance status on the ladies car at the time?
Your rant about later mandatory requirements drunk drivers have to follow does kinda give the game away. Plus of course there are only really two categories of people who have a problem with drink driving laws.

Let me repeat the question that you are desperately trying to dodge.
Indeed, but the question is, did you have a right to be there in the first place?
Did your girlfriends car have its insurance loaded to cover your DUI?
If not then you had no right to be sitting where you was sitting.

[Wolferz]

You do your drinking at home.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Young man stop dodging. It has nothing to do with any drinking at the time of the incident. What was your insurance status on the ladies car at the time?
Your rant about later mandatory requirements drunk drivers have to follow does kinda give the game away. Plus of course there are only really two categories of people who have a problem with drink driving laws.

Let me repeat the question that you are desperately trying to dodge.
Indeed, but the question is, did you have a right to be there in the first place?
Did your girlfriends car have its insurance loaded to cover your DUI?
If not then you had no right to be sitting where you was sitting.

What do you mean insurance loaded to cover my DUI? That makes no sense, I was not drinking at time of the incident as you are clearly trying to say in the above sentence.

Of course I had the right to be there.I was in the city, state, and country in which I legally reside.I was in a clearly marked parking space.The insurance on her car covers anyone she gives permission to operate it unless they are specifically excluded on her policy.I had not one drop of alcohol in my system.I am dodging no question, you are simply trying to start an argument to divert from the topic, mostly due to your personal issues with me, stop, really.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

All of that aside, this is about immigration and the fact that my girlfriend and I were put in real danger by an individual that was not supposed to be in this country to begin with, since is an illegal immigrant.Aside from his initial criminal behavior or being in the country, he decided to operate a motor vehicle without a license, without insurance and intoxicated, then tried to fleet in his stupor and sure if I had not reached in and snatched his keys away, he would have continued trying to back away until ripped the bumper etc off and fled, no doubt causing more harm.This shows he has absolutely no respect for our country, it's laws, the rights of the actual citizens etc, has no place here but in jail and then on a bus back to whatever hole he came from, the end.

Every what a episode of COPS? Plenty of legals do the same thing as noted above.

But hey, the fix is coming courtesy of the GOP.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...nship-20131203

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Every what a episode of COPS? Plenty of legals do the same thing as noted above.

But hey, the fix is coming courtesy of the GOP.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...nship-20131203

Yeah both parties want the votes and they see that giving some form of amnesty will help them land many down the road.So this problem(the problem of illegal immigration) will never be solved by a political party.Of course if companies where not giving illegals jobs in the first place there would be a lot less of them.

I agree as well drunk driving is an issue completely separate from illegal immigration.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I agree as well drunk driving is an issue completely separate from illegal immigration.

Agreed but some obviously jump at the opportunity of knitting them together.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Every what a episode of COPS? Plenty of legals do the same thing as noted above.

But hey, the fix is coming courtesy of the GOP.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congr...nship-20131203

Legals do it, but they have to right to be in the country, this idiot who hit us did not, there is a difference.I am sure if it happened to you, would change your tune.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Agreed but some obviously jump at the opportunity of knitting them together.

The two subjects are only related in cases where a State is giving illegals drivers licenses, such as California.

Illegal immigrants can get driver's licenses under new California law

Illegal immigration has gone on for so long, that in some areas, Politicians are now forced to pander to them for votes. (Wait, what?! ) But aside from the issue of citizenship privledges like a drivers license to non-citizens, drunk driving isn't related.

As to illegal immigration itself, so that those accross the pond might understand why this is a bugbear for some:

- economically its a problem because they undercut wages, and causes a strain to entitlements without contribution in the form of taxes.
- Politically and socially its a problem because in the case of illegals crossing from the southern border, 8 or 9 times out of 10, they do not integrate into our society. That, is the real crux of the problem at the end of the day.It's not the color of their skin, it's what they do.

Personally, I judge by actions seen. To best understand, let me explain it at a baser level:

Let's say your at your home in the evening cooking dinner. Then out of nowhere, this rather large family has dropped by unannounced. You look out your front door, and you see one of them using your garden hose (and hence your water) to wash their car in your driveway, without asking. Then you see their kids running riot, coloring all over your houses walls with crayons, while "cute", you have paper for that. Turning around into the backyard, you see a few have started using your propane to grill and have started cooking in your backyard. While it smells good, you didn't recall saying it was ok to use your propane, and in fact, you normally use charcoal for this purpose. Your own dinner being almost ready to eat, you set your own table. Your uninvited guests have then set themselves at your table, and then demand you say grace at your own table when it is not your custom to doing so. Would you not be a little angry? Now expand that in scale, from your house, to your country, and there you have it. It's the lack of intergration into the metaphorical household.

[Stealhead]

Yeah but the laws of this country apply to anyone present here not just a citizen as is the case in most every other nation so far as I am aware.
So the guy was an illegal he'll most likely serve jail time for the DUI ICE will also more than likely charge him with being in the country illegally and depending on the situation he'll be sent back to Mexico and he may or may not serve jail time for being an illegal first.


I am not an expert on the CA law but I have no doubt that the federal laws supersede anything that CA allows so ICE will still go after any illegal even if they have a CA drivers license.I suspect that the driving force(pun intended) behind the CA drivers for illegals was insurance companies gives them more customers if illegals can get a license because then they have to have some kind of insurance.That and people want votes which is why it had strong support from Republicans according to that article.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The two subjects are only related in cases where a State is giving illegals drivers licenses, such as California.

Illegal immigrants can get driver's licenses under new California law

Illegal immigration has gone on for so long, that in some areas, Politicians are now forced to pander to them for votes. (Wait, what?! ) But aside from the issue of citizenship privledges like a drivers license to non-citizens, drunk driving isn't related.

As to illegal immigration itself, so that those accross the pond might understand why this is a bugbear for some:

- economically its a problem because they undercut wages, and causes a strain to entitlements without contribution in the form of taxes.
- Politically and socially its a problem because in the case of illegals crossing from the southern border, 8 or 9 times out of 10, they do not integrate into our society. That, is the real crux of the problem at the end of the day.It's not the color of their skin, it's what they do.

Personally, I judge by actions seen. To best understand, let me explain it at a baser level:

Let's say your at your home in the evening cooking dinner. Then out of nowhere, this rather large family has dropped by unannounced. You look out your front door, and you see one of them using your garden hose (and hence your water) to wash their car in your driveway, without asking. Then you see their kids running riot, coloring all over your houses walls with crayons, while "cute", you have paper for that. Turning around into the backyard, you see a few have started using your propane to grill and have started cooking in your backyard. While it smells good, you didn't recall saying it was ok to use your propane, and in fact, you normally use charcoal for this purpose. Your own dinner being almost ready to eat, you set your own table. Your uninvited guests have then set themselves at your table, and then demand you say grace at your own table when it is not your custom to doing so. Would you not be a little angry? Now expand that in scale, from your house, to your country, and there you have it. It's the lack of intergration into the metaphorical household.

We have similar problems here in the UK and proportionately it would be interesting to know which of our respective countries problems are the largest.

The point I'm trying to make is that DUI offences (using US terminology) happen regardless of whether the offending party is illegal or otherwise.

I fail to see the correlation between the two.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Legals do it, but they have to right to be in the country, this idiot who hit us did not, there is a difference.I am sure if it happened to you, would change your tune.

No I wouldn't. There are plenty of under insured or not insured legals driving jalopies that an illegal hitting my car would be a breath of fresh air. There is a reason I pay additional for under-insured motorist. Legal or not.

Would it made a difference if he was here on vacation driving a rental car?