New York to outlaw electronic cigarettes ... what the heck is an elctronic cigarette?

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Huh. The first time I had ever heard about electronic cigarettes was on one of those late night commercials. Naturally I assumed that it, like most things advertised at 3 in the morning, was a sham. I am surprised to hear from this thread that it actually works.

And works well. Have been 'Stinky Free' since May, richer too, which is never a bad thing.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by danlisa

And works well. Have been 'Stinky Free' since May, richer too, which is never a bad thing.

Well done Dan...over three years for me now and that was after well over thirty years of indulging in the appalling habit.

[danlisa]

20 years for me. (Those went by quick!) Hopefully no lasting damage done and at least I know I'm not doing any further damage.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by danlisa

20 years for me. (Those went by quick!) Hopefully no lasting damage done and at least I know I'm not doing any further damage.

Rgr that mate and the best of luck during the possible hard times you may encounter on your journey

I sought support in the extra beer I found I was suddenly able to afford

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm still going strong as well Jim. Imagine if you still smoked. Your diecast models would be going up in smoke.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm still going strong as well Jim. Imagine if you still smoked. Your diecast models would be going up in smoke.

That's good Chris, you started shortly before me as I recall

I doubt I'd be spending so much on diecast if I was still on the dreaded weed.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It's what I used to quit smoking. I would bet that the tobacco companies are throwing plenty of lobbying dollars behind the campaign to smear electric cigarettes.

I doubt it very much, I view all these things (smokes, e-smokes, quitting 'aids', etc.) as being multiple heads of the same hydra as they are all tobacco products (all produced nicotine comes from tobacco or similar plants).

e-smokes are a way to get around the previous laws and to generate new markets (or get kids hooked which is classic tobacco company behavior). No one also knows the effects of using this product yet, and probably won't for another 10 years.

The nicotine based quitting smoking aids are all well and good, unless you actually follow what they say in the instructions. It is interesting to note that a lot of people tend to transfer their habit from smoking to the quitting aid (gum, patch, whatever), and I would argue the instructions they give tend to promote addiction transfer not cessation, due to the amounts used and timescale of use, and that this is intentional. The cost of this stuff is also nuts.

I honestly suspect that the tobacco companies are behind all of this.

[danlisa]

^ Actually, if you look into the US ENDD system closely enough, you will notice that as recent as last year Tobacco Companies were buying out/up ENDD production companies. They realised the potential of the devices and realised the shift that dependants were making to a healthier option. They're not pushing the devices but they sure don't want to miss the boat on the profits.

Also, what costs are "nuts"? My ENDD has saved me over £1000 in 7 months.

While there are currently no accepted health studies on these devices any impartial study will show that they present no health concerns over and above any nicotine intake you incur within a normal diet, say consumation of Eggplants, Cauliflowers, Green Tomatoes or even Potatoes (yes, they all contain nicotine).

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by danlisa

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

A win win me thinks

[Platapus]

I just don't understand how anyone can afford to smoke these days.

Conga rats to all who have quit. At least in this instance, everyone likes a quitter.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by danlisa

^ Actually, if you look into the US ENDD system closely enough, you will notice that as recent as last year Tobacco Companies were buying out/up ENDD production companies. They realised the potential of the devices and realised the shift that dependants were making to a healthier option. They're not pushing the devices but they sure don't want to miss the boat on the profits.

Also, what costs are "nuts"? My ENDD has saved me over £1000 in 7 months.

I was referring to smoking cessation products (ie patch, gum, inhaler etc), which at least in Canada, were crazy expensive (more than cigarettes even, which are also crazy expensive due to tax).

While there are currently no accepted health studies on these devices any impartial study will show that they present no health concerns over and above any nicotine intake you incur within a normal diet, say consumation of Eggplants, Cauliflowers, Green Tomatoes or even Potatoes (yes, they all contain nicotine).

I wasn't referring to nicotine consumption per say, more the delivery system. also those plants do not contain a whole lot of it and most of it is in the stuff people don't eat or are unripe

Let's be clear about one thing. I have given up smoking but I have not given up my habit and I have no intention to. I have retained the enjoyment I get from smoking, removed the health impact and reduced the financial impact on myself and on my countries health service. It's a win win for me.

That's good, personally I am happy to be mostly nicotine (minus vegetable intake) free

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I just don't understand how anyone can afford to smoke these days.

Conga rats to all who have quit. At least in this instance, everyone likes a quitter.

Rgr that matey

Originally Posted by Platapus

I just don't understand how anyone can afford to smoke these days.

I told the Wife Since....
I quite doing the bar scene,
I quite hanging out with the Rough Crowd, (That intails bail money, fines, and court costs)
I quite running around with questionable Female types, (aside from the Wife herself)
And I quite betting on stuff?

I got plenty of money and I refuse to give up my last bad habit!

She asked me what it would take to get me to quite smokeing.
I told her a Mistress would do the trick.
I'm still smokeing.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by privateer

I told the Wife Since....
I quite doing the bar scene,
I quite hanging out with the Rough Crowd, (That intails bail money, fines, and court costs)
I quite running around with questionable Female types, (aside from the Wife herself)
And I quite betting on stuff?

I got plenty of money and I refuse to give up my last bad habit!

She asked me what it would take to get me to quite smokeing.
I told her a Mistress would do the trick.
I'm still smokeing.

LOL Jeff...nowt wrong with Nancy, you've a 'stayer' there

[August]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

I wasn't referring to nicotine consumption per say, more the delivery system. also those plants do not contain a whole lot of it and most of it is in the stuff people don't eat or are unripe.

Good point and if I may add:

Nicotine causes heart disease by decreasing oxygen to the heart, increasing blood pressure and heart rate, increasing blood clotting and damaging cells that line coronary arteries and other blood vessels. Nicotine narrows the blood vessels, increasing the heart rate and putting more strain on the heart. It narrows the arteries to make them vulnerable to atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries, which can led to heart attack or stroke.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/15...#ixzz2GauXqPNi

In other words more nicotine equals more damage. Trace amounts of nicotine found in some foods should not be used to justify ingesting large amounts of the stuff for no other purpose than to get a buzz.