strange, eh? sub vs ships: ramming

Kimmers · 05-10-10, 08:47 AM

last patrol i was on, i took on a pretty huge convoy and after the smoke had cleared and the convoy had moved on, i realized there was still a small merchant sitting there powerless. As i set my sights on him, i realized i no longer had any torpedoes. i also had no deck gun.

so i rammed him.

to my surprise, my XXI at full speed did no visible damage to him, despite having charged him at ahead full.

i once accidentally rammed a ship in my earlier days while submerged, and it resulted in a sunk british destroyer.

so my question is: why does this merchant live while the destroyer lies at the bottom?

maillemaker · 05-10-10, 08:58 AM

Destroyers are pretty darn fragile. I've had them sink themselves by ramming me!

Steve

Sailor Steve · 05-10-10, 09:30 AM

The game is kind of messed up that way.

That said, ramming is something no real-life sub commander would ever attempt. You risk losing your torpedo tubes at the very least.

fw66 · 05-10-10, 10:16 AM

Wasn't it also a bug that you could ram ships from underneath them and they would sink? I seem to remember something like that, but I think it was in pre 1.4 releases..

maillemaker · 05-10-10, 10:27 AM

Just recently a destroyer rammed me and I think my conning tower ripped out his belly.

I'm on 1.4.

Steve

STEED · 05-10-10, 10:53 AM

Now that takes me back to my wild and reckless days.

frau kaleun · 05-10-10, 11:26 AM

^^

Kimmers · 05-10-10, 01:27 PM

true, a real sub commander would never do that but hey, in the world of hypothetical and fictional subsims *looks around at SHIII purists and 100% realism-ers*
eh i'll stick to letting that boat go.

great pic btw

Jimbuna · 05-10-10, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimmers

so my question is: why does this merchant live while the destroyer lies at the bottom?

Because there are vital damage zones from the damage model situated along the keel area.

The chances are you've ruptured a fuel or ammo bunker resulting in catastrophic damage.

jumpy · 05-10-10, 04:06 PM

Where was that film from sh3 with the uboat porpoising and leaping out of the water like a fish? Flying over some ships as I recall.

kdv · 05-10-10, 04:52 PM

Similar situation, maybe technically the following would be considered ramming - but may have worked in real life (although it would have been very hazardous).

Used my last torp on a merchant. It started to sink, became partially submerged, but refused to go down. After waiting a few hours (on TC), it hadn't changed.

No more torps, no more deck/aa ammo.

Soooo, not willing to lose the kill I nosed my surfaced VII onto the deck area that was partially submerged, which turned out to add enough weight to the merchant to cause it to continue to sink. I simply ordered reverse once it started to take on water, and watched it go down.

Unorthodox - yes, but did it work - yes!

Jimbuna · 05-10-10, 07:27 PM

If the vessel hadn't already been sinking I doubt this would have happened....normally the two vessels simply merge with one another (in graphical terms).

pickinthebanjo · 05-11-10, 01:16 AM

Brag · 05-11-10, 07:35 PM

If I remember right, in the original vanilla version you could sink a ship by pocking it with your periscope

Jimbuna · 05-12-10, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brag

If I remember right, in the original vanilla version you could sink a ship by pocking it with your periscope

Sure could, see #9

05-10-10, 08:47 AM	#1
Kimmers Bosun Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: in the desert yo Posts: 63 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	strange, eh? sub vs ships: ramming last patrol i was on, i took on a pretty huge convoy and after the smoke had cleared and the convoy had moved on, i realized there was still a small merchant sitting there powerless. As i set my sights on him, i realized i no longer had any torpedoes. i also had no deck gun. so i rammed him. to my surprise, my XXI at full speed did no visible damage to him, despite having charged him at ahead full. i once accidentally rammed a ship in my earlier days while submerged, and it resulted in a sunk british destroyer. so my question is: why does this merchant live while the destroyer lies at the bottom? __________________

05-10-10, 09:30 AM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The game is kind of messed up that way. That said, ramming is something no real-life sub commander would ever attempt. You risk losing your torpedo tubes at the very least. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-10-10, 10:53 AM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Now that takes me back to my wild and reckless days. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-10-10, 01:27 PM	#8
Kimmers Bosun Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: in the desert yo Posts: 63 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	true, a real sub commander would never do that but hey, in the world of hypothetical and fictional subsims looks around at SHIII purists and 100% realism-ers eh i'll stick to letting that boat go. great pic btw __________________

05-10-10, 04:06 PM	#10
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Where was that film from sh3 with the uboat porpoising and leaping out of the water like a fish? Flying over some ships as I recall. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

05-10-10, 08:58 AM	#2
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Destroyers are pretty darn fragile. I've had them sink themselves by ramming me! Steve

05-10-10, 10:16 AM	#4
fw66 Torpedoman Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 119 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	Wasn't it also a bug that you could ram ships from underneath them and they would sink? I seem to remember something like that, but I think it was in pre 1.4 releases..

05-10-10, 10:27 AM	#5
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	Just recently a destroyer rammed me and I think my conning tower ripped out his belly. I'm on 1.4. Steve

05-10-10, 11:26 AM	#7
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	^^

05-10-10, 04:52 PM	#11
kdv Loader Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 85 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Similar situation, maybe technically the following would be considered ramming - but may have worked in real life (although it would have been very hazardous). Used my last torp on a merchant. It started to sink, became partially submerged, but refused to go down. After waiting a few hours (on TC), it hadn't changed. No more torps, no more deck/aa ammo. Soooo, not willing to lose the kill I nosed my surfaced VII onto the deck area that was partially submerged, which turned out to add enough weight to the merchant to cause it to continue to sink. I simply ordered reverse once it started to take on water, and watched it go down. Unorthodox - yes, but did it work - yes!

05-10-10, 07:27 PM	#12
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,168 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	If the vessel hadn't already been sinking I doubt this would have happened....normally the two vessels simply merge with one another (in graphical terms). __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-11-10, 01:16 AM	#13
pickinthebanjo Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 651 Downloads: 282 Uploads: 0

05-11-10, 07:35 PM	#14
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	If I remember right, in the original vanilla version you could sink a ship by pocking it with your periscope __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/