The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[Jerik]

Originally Posted by razark

I shouldn't have to hope something is going to work when I buy it. I may buy a defective product once in a while, but I should not expect there to be a 50/50 chance it will be defective. I'd be running back and forth to the store quite a lot.

50/50 is a very unlikely probability for server use. Look at Steam -- this service has been running for years and I can only think of one or two times that it same down and prevented me from using my content.

Not to mention, verification is not exactly a high-intensity use of the server. Look at your average MMO -- WoW servers cater to about 10k players; Eve Online can support about 30k simultaneous players, and that's transmitting and calculating massive amounts of data.

Also, regarding the broadband argument: while only 60% of the US population may have broadband, the number of serious gamers with broadband -- ones who will be affected by this -- is probably much higher. I know there are always people who have dial up or something else and cannot manage the online connection, but they are not a large, or critical (in the gaming industry's eyes) population of players. I suspect they'll gladly lose the 5% of gamers who cannot play the game due to no internet if they feel it will stop piracy. Piracy is definitely a problem; the issue is whether these sorts of measures will decrease piracy (and force sales) or just decrease piracy without increasing sales. The former situation is certainly what they'd like; I suspect the latter is the more likely case.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by GREY WOLF 3

There will be alot of returns.if drm is like our postal service.

Watcha got against our postal service?

/postal engineer

[Skullcowboy]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Frankly, the "you'll never stop piracy!" tone of many dissidents makes me wonder what their true motivation for wanting DRM gone might be. "I won't buy the game while it has DRM" - probably true, but would you buy it, as in pay for it, if it didn't? Remember, as I've said several times, there's one very good way to stop the industry from using prohibitive anti-piracy measures. Stop pirating games.

This is one of the things the upsets me THE MOST. If you have no problem being treated like a pirate out of the gate, good for you. By all means buy the game and I won't badmouth you a bit. But please don't insult me with insinuations that because I am standing up for something that I must just want to pirate games.

I have paid for every single PC game I have ever owned. I think piracy is wrong. But only a little Googling will show that DRM does more to inconvenience paying customers than it does to stop piracy or even slow it down. Several of the most heavily DRM laden games were on the torrent sites BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN RELEASED. So yes, I get a little PO'd when I am treated with suspicion and my ability to enjoy what I have legitimately purchased is hindered by something that really is ineffective at what it is 'supposed' to do.

I am not a pirate. I am a customer. Pirates don't buy games, customers do. Stop treating me like a pirate.

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

No, I can't, because us readers don't steal books at a rate of 9:10. If, for every tenth book that was sold in a book store, nine books were shoplifted, you could bet your butt that the book store industry would go to drastic lengths to restrict your ability to shoplift books.

Piracy is copyright infringement, not theft. There are volumes of laws written to cover copyright infringement and that is what you are charged with if you are caught doing it, not theft. Theft involves the loss of a tangible good, copyright infringement does not. So stealing physical books has no connection with pirating a game. A stolen book cannot be sold by the original owner. The original of a copied game can still be sold to someone else who might buy it.

But limiting my ability to use a product I have legitimately purchased because you think I might pirate it? If you think that is okay and want to equate copyright infringement with theft (and I'll play along for just a sec) how about this.

Would you be okay with having a police officer assigned to you who goes everywhere and never lets you out of his sight because, you know, you MIGHT steal or perform some other unlawful act? It's the latest service offered. It will enhance your life experience, too. Oh, and you get to pay them to do this.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Jerik

Look at Steam -- this service has been running for years and I can only think of one or two times that it same down and prevented me from using my content.

Steam will never prevent you from using 99.9% of it's games, even if
you have no connection. Steam has an offline mode that almost all
games can run in.

[Jerik]

Originally Posted by Letum

Steam will never prevent you from using 99.9% of it's games, even if
you have no connection. Steam has an offline mode that almost all
games can run in.

This is true; I suspect the times I "remember" not being able to play a game is because the game had not been update, or offline mode had not been activated.

[Ragtag]

Originally Posted by Skullcowboy

This is one of the things the upsets me THE MOST. If you have no problem being treated like a pirate out of the gate, good for you. By all means buy the game and I won't badmouth you a bit. But please don't insult me with insinuations that because I am standing up for something that I must just want to pirate games.

I have paid for every single PC game I have ever owned. I think piracy is wrong. But only a little Googling will show that DRM does more to inconvenience paying customers than it does to stop piracy or even slow it down. Several of the most heavily DRM laden games were on the torrent sites BEFORE THEY WERE EVEN RELEASED. So yes, I get a little PO'd when I am treated with suspicion and my ability to enjoy what I have legitimately purchased is hindered by something that really is ineffective at what it is 'supposed' to do.

I am not a pirate. I am a customer. Pirates don't buy games, customers do. Stop treating me like a pirate.



Piracy is copyright infringement, not theft. There are volumes of laws written to cover copyright infringement and that is what you are charged with if you are caught doing it, not theft. Theft involves the loss of a tangible good, copyright infringement does not. So stealing physical books has no connection with pirating a game. A stolen book cannot be sold by the original owner. The original of a copied game can still be sold to someone else who might buy it.

But limiting my ability to use a product I have legitimately purchased because you think I might pirate it? If you think that is okay and want to equate copyright infringement with theft (and I'll play along for just a sec) how about this.

Would you be okay with having a police officer assigned to you who goes everywhere and never lets you out of his sight because, you know, you MIGHT steal or perform some other unlawful act? It's the latest service offered. It will enhance your life experience, too. Oh, and you get to pay them to do this.

Good one, a real good one

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

Customers dignity aside:
OLC would you say the same things - if you were citisen of some outskirt of east-european town - with ADSL that drops 5-7 times per day... i.e. being black-listed by Ubi as not European enough ?

I wouldn't be bitching. I'm currently "blacklisted" by Aston Martin as not rich enough to own one of their cars. I don't complain about it, even though I'd like one.

On second thoughts maybe I would bitch, just to vent my frustration. Doesn't mean I'd have a valid point. Just means I'd be pissed at not being able to have something I want.

By the way, I used to live alone in an area that had ****ty internet. I moved house for the sole purpose of obtaining a good internet connection. That was years ago.

[GREY WOLF 3]

Originally Posted by Letum

Watcha got against our postal service?

/postal engineer

/postal engineer

Its crap.

[GREY WOLF 3]

Originally Posted by Letum

Watcha got against our postal service?

/postal engineer

/postal engineer

Its crap. ill say no more

Originally Posted by 609_Avatar

This just in... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100216/...broadband_data

By JOELLE TESSLER, AP Technology Writer Joelle Tessler, Ap Technology Writer – 57 mins ago
WASHINGTON – Roughly 40 percent of Americans do not have high-speed Internet access at home, according to new Commerce Department figures that underscore the challenges facing policymakers who are trying to bring affordable broadband connections to everyone.

but UBI refuses to see the truth because as this shows, a simple data search (hint to UBI executives, try using google) it would show their customers arent able to use the system they propose.

[Hitman]

You know, I am a jurist and work with laws for a living ... but when legal matters arise in what is supposed to be my hobby, something is utterly wrong and smelling rotten

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I wouldn't be bitching. I'm currently "blacklisted" by Aston Martin as not rich enough to own one of their cars. I don't complain about it, even though I'd like one.

And you complained about my analogies!

[Wulfmann]

Excuse my ignorance but I have been away from SH5 watching after about the first week.

I do not know about DRM.

My game PC is not connected to the internet and my email PC can not play high end games and I am on dial up.

So, if it is required I be online to play SH5 I will not be buying it. If it requires broadband to play SH5 I will also not be buying it

For those that think it is an excuse please know I do not pirate games. I play very few games and I gladly purchase them to support future repeats.

If what I am reading is true one can not play SH5 unless one is online all the time one plays. Dial up will cut me off in a mission son unless UBI is providing broadband at their expense they are in affect telling me they don't want my money
Please tell me this is inaccurate.

Wulfmann

[Adriatico]

OLC, as you would say - analogy is not appropriate. (A.M.)

We were all the same bunch of fanatics usinig and moding SH series.
And then Ubi cames along with knife...

Barking at Aston Martin is bitching.

After years of Subsim membership I feel just normal to reply to posts and express the feelings.

If You have bought two times Aston Martin cars (driving for a years...) and supporting the brand on web... you would have every right to start complaining: if you have to start and park your car "online" for the next model.

[Jerik]

Originally Posted by Wulfmann

Excuse my ignorance but I have been away from SH5 watching after about the first week.

I do not know about DRM.

My game PC is not connected to the internet and my email PC can not play high end games and I am on dial up.

So, if it is required I be online to play SH5 I will not be buying it. If it requires broadband to play SH5 I will also not be buying it

For those that think it is an excuse please know I do not pirate games. I play very few games and I gladly purchase them to support future repeats.

If what I am reading is true one can not play SH5 unless one is online all the time one plays. Dial up will cut me off in a mission son unless UBI is providing broadband at their expense they are in affect telling me they don't want my money
Please tell me this is inaccurate.

Wulfmann

To play Silent Hunter 5 you will need a minimum DSL connection (768kbps), active all the time. If the connection fails, your game will end.

If this irks you, contact Ubisoft and voice your concerns.