The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Not verbally. Not physically. In fact, I'm not actually doing anything at all.

If they stick the receipt to your forehead at the shop then you don't have to do anything to show it either.

Of course, with online DRM you have to physicaly connect to the world wide interwebs

[piri_reis]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Not verbally. Not physically. In fact, I'm not actually doing anything at all.

Yeah, your computer is doing all the work.
But what if:
the permission is denied? (Something went haywire in the registry/installation)
UBI Server unavailable.
Etc.

It's not your computer playing SH5, it is you right?

So your computer will go, whatever OLC, it doesn't bother me

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by razark

You're asking permission using the computer, instead of a phone.

@ OLC...

you are asking permission over and over again.

HOW is not important. The fact that you have to "ask permission/prove ownership" is the bad thing.
+
if they chose to deny access for whatever reason... you do not <hat you paid for.

You wanna be treated like a potential thief? have it your way.

[SteamWake]

Cough cough... er.. Data Mining... ahem...

Carry on

[Nicolas]

Why i need to use the internet to play an offline game
Ah, the exciting new services... ah those, what services?

[Flopper]

Here's an example of what's horrific about it:

Yesterday, the ATT truck was up here installing DSL for my neighbor. For about two hours, my DSL service was intermittent, and it was quite annoying that I couldn't get online. I can only imagine how livid I would have been if I also couldn't enjoy "my" game due to an internet outage. (I get outraged over single ply paper bags.)

I also "purchased" Battlefield 1942 for Xbox last year, obviously online only... but played it for a month, and ever since, EVERY time I try to connect the server is busy (try again later).

If I can't play SH5 offline, I'll just keep my wallet closed until the price is right, say 5 dollars.

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Letum

If they stick the receipt to your forehead at the shop then you don't have to do anything to show it either.

Of course, with online DRM you have to physicaly connect to the world wide interwebs

Two more broken analogies.
I get what you're saying, but the analogies you use all involve hassle that simply has no equivalent for the SH5 player with a stable connection. It's the straw man argument.

Originally Posted by piri_reis

Yeah, your computer is doing all the work.
But what if the permission is denied? (Something went haywire in the registry/installation)
UBI Server unavailable.
Etc.

I'm not seeing how that's relevant, but obviously if the servers don't work then I can't play, and if I can't play then I'll take the game back and get a refund.

[Brag]

If one reads Ubi's 2009-10 quarterly statement to shareholders one can see that Ubi management is not only bee essing us but also their shareholders. I don't expect Ubi to survive 'til 2011.

The event will be called suicide by DRM.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Will I allow my PC to connect to a server every five minutes, using it's always-on connection? Yes.

When you buy something it should be yours.
We should be treated as clients i.e. customers... not like dogs.

If Ubi wants to treat me as dog, to keep me one their chain - it is their right.

My right is - not to offer my neck.

And afterall, we have never seen any apology from Ubi side - the least that customer deserves.

They humiliate us by "idiotic" promotions of thier service-advantages...

Piracy is their problem - not mine.
It could be our common problem - if they come straight and apologize... and propose to discuss the options.

If they treat me like a dog - i will bite.

[609_Avatar]

Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980

This only means BROADBAND connection, not a 24/7 connection.

For myself, i only have a DSL 2000 connection (240kb/s) connected 24/7, i pay once per month for it thats how all european Provider work. You pay once per month and are connected 24/7, dont know about the USA and other parts of the world...do they have the same?

I only gave you one quick example, many more can be found if you're truly interested in looking... DSL, at least here in the US, is no where near reliable as cable connections. There are still many areas of the US, and not just way out in the boondocks, where people only have the option of dial-up. Definitely not always online. Other countries are much better than this and much worse. I'm not going to do the footwork for you but if you really want to know some accurate statistics all you need do is search, Google and the like are your friends.

I'm glad you will enjoy your game and I hope all of us non-believers will be wrong.

I edited this because I forgot to correct your assumption that Broadband only means cable, DSL is also considered broadband... it refers to the speed and DSL is fast enough over dial-up to qualify:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_Internet_access

[Letum]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Two more broken analogies.
I get what you're saying, but the analogies you use all involve hassle that simply has no equivalent for the SH5 player with a stable connection. It's the straw man argument.

I disagree because the point that is being made is not that DRM is a
hassle. That is not the argument the analogy is making.
It is about having to prove ones innocence every time you wish to use
something you paid for, however hassle free and it's about needing
permission to use something you "own".

[razark]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Two more broken analogies.
I get what you're saying, but the analogies you use all involve hassle that simply has no equivalent for the SH5 player with a stable connection. It's the straw man argument.

So, as long as it's not directly there reminding you every minute, then it doesn't really exist?

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I'm not seeing how that's relevant, but obviously if the servers don't work then I can't play, and if I can't play then I'll take the game back and get a refund.

I shouldn't have to hope something is going to work when I buy it. I may buy a defective product once in a while, but I should not expect there to be a 50/50 chance it will be defective. I'd be running back and forth to the store quite a lot.

[Seafireliv]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

When you buy something it should be yours.
We should be treated as clients i.e. customers... not like dogs.

If Ubi wants to treat me as dog, to keep me one their chain - it is their right.

My right is - not to offer my neck.

And afterall, we have never seen any apology from Ubi side - the least that customer deserves.

They humiliate us by "idiotic" promotions of thier service-advantages...

Piracy is their problem - not mine.
It could be our common problem - if they come straight and apologize... and propose to discuss the options.

If they treat me like a dog - i will bite.

hear! hear! i`m not wearing their collar!

[GREY WOLF 3]

Why is the new DRM so bad?!

[Seafireliv]

Originally Posted by Darkreaver1980

What is up with you people?

you will buy the game, come home and play it right away.

why is everyone acting like the world is going to end? lol

Dont tell me that you arent connected 24 hours per day :P

Man, how I hate this limited, blinkered thinking. If this is how UBI thinks then no wonder they thought up this insane DRM.