Civilized DRM Debate Thread

[tater]

As long as the DRM system is noninvasive, and functions as a form of "copy protection" to prevent theft I'm fine with it. The noninvasive part is critical. I want none of my usage information seen without my explicit (and optional) permission. I don't want it to ever interrupt my gaming sessions, either. Not ever, not for a moment.

As a father of two small children, I have very limited gaming time, and if there is a net hiccup and I can't play a favorite game that is not an online game I'm going to be more than a little POed.

BTW, if they asked nicely, "in order to develop new simulations you might enjoy" I'd likely let them have-at my gaming habit data. I require that to be my choice, however.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

this DRM debate has turned into a

mass debate

Spot on.

[MercurySeven]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Let's get our apples sorted out. DRM is one thing, OSP is another.

Just the point I wanted to make. And as I said: Whether the system succeeds in reducing software piracy depends on the system.

From a pure technical and non-emotional point of view I must admit that I see a very slim chance that if there was a complete genious abong the software developers that program DRM and he had an extrordinary good day, then he might actually produce something that reduces (not stops!) software piracy.

As you pointed out this did not happen so far. But hey, the guy wanted a positive aspect of DRM and the possible reduction of piracy is the only thing DRM could ever achieve.

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

If I may point one thing out about MMOs, all you need are the discs to play the game. Several pirate groups have sifted through the data and made their own servers. I know, I used to run a WoW server in my own house.

I've played WoW for months on a private server before buying the game and wasting 2 years f my life on the official ones. I only said "forget about MMO's" because the whole point of an MMO is to play it online with many other users, preferably without loosing your 50+ characters once a week . MMOs can't be cracked even if they are.. so to speak.

[Undefined]

All of this could only mean one thing. Ubi doesn't care of satisfaction of consumers, they care about money.

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Well I dont think anyone really 'likes' DRM, there are those against and those who will tolerate.

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Originally Posted by JU_88

I think its really inconsiderate of those who cannot access Broadband due to there location. hell its bordering on discrimination if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Speaking for myself, I will purchase SHV regardless, I want to support the franchise, I want to support the fantastic Romanian dev team and Im also exited to have a new subsiming exerience.

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Im not worried about the DRM in terms of my own internet connetion as only get D/C'd one in a blue moon, and when i do its nothing that a quick router reboot wont fix.

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Originally Posted by JU_88

However I do worry about the reliablity of Ubi's servers...

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Originally Posted by JU_88

One last thing, most those who do download games illegally, were probabaly never going to buy it anyway- they just would have gone without. Dont get me wrong I condemn those who do -as it is still basically stealing. But its wrong to assume that every illegal download equals the loss of sale, IMHO this simply isnt the case.

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Say something I disagree with. Go on I dare ya.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Flegmatica

All of this could only mean one thing. Ubi doesn't care of satisfaction of consumers, they care about money.

That's their job. I'm 100% fine with that, actually. If they cared about anything else I'd be concerned, actually. Satisfaction only matters as it pertains to generating revenue. The corollary is that the only way to express an opinion to them is to not buy something.

Steam or other distribution ideas are a separate issue. This OSP thing only helps the bottom line if the net sales increase because of OSP. Or more precisely to this debate if the requirement that everyone be connected to play actually increases sales.

Everything else aside, the connection requirement is the ONLY real issue here. If that requirement alone does not increase sales, OSP is a failure (this folds in the idea of criminals (pirates) deciding to pay and hence increasing net sales).

I should be clear that this also includes sales for future products since I in fact think this is more of a data mining thing than anti-piracy. Knowing our gaming habits is valuable data, and they will know all about your gaming habits, even which fish you prefer, and at what range .

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

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Say something I disagree with. Go on I dare ya.

Um...ok... Ducks are actually made entirely out of sand and polystyrene

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Um...ok... Ducks are actually made entirely out of sand and polystyrene

I KNEW IT!!!!
Evidence:


Who's crazy now ha?!!!

[JU_88]

[sergei]

Originally Posted by tater

I should be clear that this also includes sales for future products since I in fact think this is more of a data mining thing than anti-piracy. Knowing our gaming habits is valuable data, and they will know all about your gaming habits, even which fish you prefer, and at what range .

And here we get to the heart of what this is.
DRM systems exist that do not require 24/7 connections to the game producers servers.

It is not about protecting their intellectual rights, but about gathering marketing data.

If that is what it is, then damn well admit it.

At the end of the day I can either accept it or not.
That is my choice as a consumer, and your choice as a producer.
And you are right. The world will continue on without me.

But please, try to credit me with a little bit of intelligence will you.

Do not pretend you are adding value to your product when in fact you are restricting my ability to enjoy it.

[mookiemookie]

I don't like it and will not buy it thereby voting with my wallet but come on people this continued moral outrage is really over the top.

Suspect that UBISoft knows full well that they are alienating a significant portion of their Silent Hunter fan base and just do not care. SH5 is obviously aimed at the RPG loving kids with the wireless Internet and the big bucks.

Final say on OSP/DRM from this call sign...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...5&postcount=31

Cheers

[sergei]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

I don't like it and will not buy it thereby voting with my wallet but come on people this continued moral outrage is really over the top.

Yeah, you are right.
I don't like it either, but will not be buying it due to cold hard facts.
(My internet connection seems to be made from a bit of string and two tin cans.)
But, I'll stop bitching about it.

You're right randomizer. Arguing against this is probably like arguing about capitalism.
Sure,you may like/dislike (delete as applicable) it, bit it ain't gonna make any difference is it?

[ETR3(SS)]

Moderators, please lock this thread and let it die. It is clear some people didn't read the guidelines for this thread before posting.