Civilized DRM Debate Thread

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by karamazovnew

Let's get our apples sorted out. DRM is one thing, OSP is another. If SH5 would require any or all of the following, we wouldn't have a problem:
- original disk needed in drive
- serial number
- one online activation on first start after an install.
All of those are examples of DRM.

At the moment, the only games that have never been cracked are MMOs (actually ignore these), Steel Beasts Pro and Rise of Flight. Both were niche games and pirate groups have not wasted time on them. But all of Ubisoft's games will use OSP. Once they crack one, they've cracked all of them. And they will be cracked, Assassin's Creed 2 and PoP are reason enough. Stop piracy? No. Piss off all legit customers? Yes. How many of them will turn to pirated copies just to play the game they've just bought? You'd think they read the news about Spore... guess not.

If I may point one thing out about MMOs, all you need are the discs to play the game. Several pirate groups have sifted through the data and made their own servers. I know, I used to run a WoW server in my own house.

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

If I may point one thing out about MMOs, all you need are the discs to play the game. Several pirate groups have sifted through the data and made their own servers. I know, I used to run a WoW server in my own house.

I've played WoW for months on a private server before buying the game and wasting 2 years f my life on the official ones. I only said "forget about MMO's" because the whole point of an MMO is to play it online with many other users, preferably without loosing your 50+ characters once a week . MMOs can't be cracked even if they are.. so to speak.

[Undefined]

All of this could only mean one thing. Ubi doesn't care of satisfaction of consumers, they care about money.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Flegmatica

All of this could only mean one thing. Ubi doesn't care of satisfaction of consumers, they care about money.

That's their job. I'm 100% fine with that, actually. If they cared about anything else I'd be concerned, actually. Satisfaction only matters as it pertains to generating revenue. The corollary is that the only way to express an opinion to them is to not buy something.

Steam or other distribution ideas are a separate issue. This OSP thing only helps the bottom line if the net sales increase because of OSP. Or more precisely to this debate if the requirement that everyone be connected to play actually increases sales.

Everything else aside, the connection requirement is the ONLY real issue here. If that requirement alone does not increase sales, OSP is a failure (this folds in the idea of criminals (pirates) deciding to pay and hence increasing net sales).

I should be clear that this also includes sales for future products since I in fact think this is more of a data mining thing than anti-piracy. Knowing our gaming habits is valuable data, and they will know all about your gaming habits, even which fish you prefer, and at what range .

[sergei]

Originally Posted by tater

I should be clear that this also includes sales for future products since I in fact think this is more of a data mining thing than anti-piracy. Knowing our gaming habits is valuable data, and they will know all about your gaming habits, even which fish you prefer, and at what range .

And here we get to the heart of what this is.
DRM systems exist that do not require 24/7 connections to the game producers servers.

It is not about protecting their intellectual rights, but about gathering marketing data.

If that is what it is, then damn well admit it.

At the end of the day I can either accept it or not.
That is my choice as a consumer, and your choice as a producer.
And you are right. The world will continue on without me.

But please, try to credit me with a little bit of intelligence will you.

Do not pretend you are adding value to your product when in fact you are restricting my ability to enjoy it.

[mookiemookie]

I don't like it and will not buy it thereby voting with my wallet but come on people this continued moral outrage is really over the top.

Suspect that UBISoft knows full well that they are alienating a significant portion of their Silent Hunter fan base and just do not care. SH5 is obviously aimed at the RPG loving kids with the wireless Internet and the big bucks.

Final say on OSP/DRM from this call sign...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...5&postcount=31

Cheers

[sergei]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

I don't like it and will not buy it thereby voting with my wallet but come on people this continued moral outrage is really over the top.

Yeah, you are right.
I don't like it either, but will not be buying it due to cold hard facts.
(My internet connection seems to be made from a bit of string and two tin cans.)
But, I'll stop bitching about it.

You're right randomizer. Arguing against this is probably like arguing about capitalism.
Sure,you may like/dislike (delete as applicable) it, bit it ain't gonna make any difference is it?

[ETR3(SS)]

Moderators, please lock this thread and let it die. It is clear some people didn't read the guidelines for this thread before posting.