The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

[bratkorv]

WTF ??!! I hate those pesky clients putting my private system at security risk.
Online all the time? There is no way I would pay for that. Even Steam use an offline feature.
Bye bye UBI. Nati ad Infernum evertendum.

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by vigilante

Please consider in your country (and mine), just a few gamers buy the games. Piracy it's up & shinning due to people's low incomings and Internet education deficit.
I have the guts to admit: I first installed a cracked copy of SH3, simply because I was not aware of this game and I just wanted to check it out. Next week I've bought a legal copy.
I was at the point of making a pre-apply for SH5, when I saw this topic. Now I'll told you, with the risk of getting my ass banned: I WILL NEVER BUY SILENT HUNTER AGAIN. Not so much due to DRM, but because they HIDE this aspect and let us pay for the product.

Greets from Bucharest. Nice to see Constanta represented here (main port of Romania for those who don't know). I go there every week for studies at UMC, who knows we might've rubbed shoulders without knowing.

They didn't hide the truth, don't be mad at them for this reason.
You won't get banned for saying you won't buy the game, don't worry. Coming from the same country IT-mentality you might understand me much better than people who grew up in the west. Piracy here is a fact of life as a young person just out of university can't expect more than 400 euros per month. The cost of living here is among the biggest in the world. Check some financial surveys if you don't believe me. Food, clothing, electronics, houses, everything here is more expensive than in the UK or US. We simply wouldn't buy a game unless we really like them. That means that either the game has perfect reviews (for example I've just bought Mass Effect and I'm loving it) or we first play cracked versions and decide for ourselves. 99.9% of those games are absolute rubbish and we'd never buy them even if we were swimming in money. We'd just use the money to play WoW.

But these games still make us upgrade PC's and spend a lot of money on them, fueling a decent IT market. If our gov would really crack down the crackers, the IT market would crash inevitably. Since Ubisoft Romania decided to use such a drakonic DRM, it's safe to say that they were "inspired" by the poor sales they get here in their own country. So yeah, you can blame us . Permanent Online check ups really work, we really need to buy the game to play. We did it with L2D, we did it with WoW, Modern Combat 1 so yeah, it actually works for multiplayer games. But this type of game content and DRM is new.

I am pissed that Ubisoft spent so much time answering silly questions and have only now revealed the Big Trio (VII's only, till 43, new DRM). I had already saved money for the collector's edition and I actually WANT to PLAY the freakin game. Hard to do when I'm on the move constantly and have to travel overseas for months on end. So no, I won't buy the game, because of the DRM. I don't care about privacy, or piracy I simply won't have internet . Right now it's the same thing for me if I buy another MMO, for example Star Trek Online. Being a trekkie made things simple for me

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by vigilante

I'll told you, with the risk of getting my ass banned: I WILL NEVER BUY SILENT HUNTER AGAIN.

Saying you will never buy something won't get you into trouble here, though once you've said it you might get people asking why you feel a need for ever posting again on that particular subject.

It's talking freely about cracking games that gets people in trouble.

[Boats]

I find what amounts to a No CD crack for the internet requirement of the game. AND I can still mod it, since the need for modding SH has been the norm since SH2. But I'd have to find that first and then I'd go out and buy the game.

A slice of big brother with every purchase of a game from here on out? Time for me to get a life, as the non-gamers say.

[bratkorv]

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[skwasjer]

Hmm, the requirement to be online to play is a very poor choice to say the least. I don't understand why you'd waste a chunk of cash on such a system when:
a) it will lose you more customers to piracy
b) the cash could be spent on the game itself (including server costs)
c) unstable internet connections, server issues, etc. can cause legitimate customers to become highly annoyed over time (and when SH6 is released they will be part of a))
d) pirates will overcome any protection scheme in days

All points are 'proven' in the past with other titles, so why try again...

It's not piracy that kills the PC-game...

[Rosencrantz]

Sailor Steve wrote:

It's talking freely about cracking games that gets people in trouble.

I think this time forum have to loose the rules a bit. Otherwise half of the members will be in brick sooner or later. It's difficult to talk about DRM without talking about cracking games at the same time. And no good progress can't be made without open discussion, I believe.


Greetings,
-RC-

[U-SERB]

DRM is more than good reason to boycott new SH5... I really hope that SH5 team will have ears to hear what we, hard core fans of SH games thinks about that silly idea... If they don't want to hear us, they will be the only lossers in the future... Sorry for that, but they must teach the lesson!!!

[simsurfer]

Originally Posted by Boats

I find what amounts to a No CD crack for the internet requirement of the game. AND I can still mod it, since the need for modding SH has been the norm since SH2. But I'd have to find that first and then I'd go out and buy the game.

A slice of big brother with every purchase of a game from here on out? Time for me to get a life, as the non-gamers say.

Not so fast, if you have to stay connected to the internet while playing the game, how do you suppose you get updates for the game, by downloading them to a file on your HDD? No, there server will d/l it for you when you connect. No connect, no updates.

[GREY WOLF 3]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
Don't have a reliable online connection? Get one. You'll be sunk without one. You need it anyway. Grow up and join the 21st century. It's already ten years old.

you are the one to grow up,why buy a game then have to rent it.
Some people cannot aford it.What happens to them, in your words sod them'

[trenken]

Originally Posted by simsurfer

Not so fast, if you have to stay connected to the internet while playing the game, how do you suppose you get updates for the game, by downloading them to a file on your HDD? No, there server will d/l it for you when you connect. No connect, no updates.

It doesnt work like that. Guild Wars uses this same system, and it works really great. When there's an update, there's a prompt telling you to restart the game (which you do at your convenience), it installs the updated data to you computer, which is still where the game actually resides.

The server is only for tracking, serving updates to you, and your progress in the game. People dont seem to understand this.

And lol @ anyone complaining about privacy. Privacy for what, what you're doing in a VIDEOGAME? Who cares... the positives of DRM far outweight whatever that privacy complaint is all about.

[pythos]

I really, really hope, Ubi sees this thread, and possible other threads concerning this and takes it as a petition against having this "Big Brother" program from being part of SH5

Looking at this thread I would say UBI just shot themselves in both feet.

This is an intrusive program and I am amazed at the number of Americans that are just rolling over.

What was that phrase Ben Franklin said? I urge you to find what he said about giving up privacy for security, and deserving neither.

This was a stupid move on the part of UBI.

I don't think the devs had a hand in this.

[simsurfer]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

Sailor Steve wrote:




I think this time forum have to loose the rules a bit. Otherwise half of the members will be in brick sooner or later. It's difficult to talk about DRM without talking about cracking games at the same time. And no good progress can't be made without open discussion, I believe.


Greetings,
-RC-

Well said.

[Oberleutnant nederlander]

there totaly killing the pc gaming world as a enjoyment on my part..

it's just like all thing's in life when they try and put barrier's in place to stop criminal's, it ends up hurting us more (the loyal gamer).

i realy hate all this online buy,download,play that is all over the place...prime example being steam!

i take enjoyment in collecting certain title's in the cases. or phyisical shipment as the sites put it....as i saw one chap said in this forum, what happen when the popularity drops below a level where it becomes to costly to run server's? do you realy think they'll keep pumping out cash so a hand full of people can play a game? no i think not..

.WE need the freedom to buy the game, and be able to play it when ever and where ever we want....i mean come on! it's bad enough in most cases to get the patch's/support to get the game to run...and that's not even thinking of the multiplayer side of things..

i dont blame the games industry in trying to protect there products, but they could do it in much better way's...

this is such an important topic that should be wide spread, or pc gaming is gona die out.

[trenken]

Originally Posted by pythos

I really, really hope, Ubi sees this thread, and possible other threads concerning this and takes it as a petition against having this "Big Brother" program from being part of SH5

Looking at this thread I would say UBI just shot themselves in both feet.

This is an intrusive program and I am amazed at the number of Americans that are just rolling over.

What was that phrase Ben Franklin said? I urge you to find what he said about giving up privacy for security, and deserving neither.

This was a stupid move on the part of UBI.

I don't think the devs had a hand in this.

There's only 40k users on this site, many of which are inactive. We arent exactly going to get them to delay this game and change the way the entire save system is structured.

Let it go, dont buy the game, noone cares. The game is built, it comes out in march, it uses DRM. Crying about it on a message board is not going to get them to rebuild aspects of this game.

If you read about DRM, many aspects of a game must be tied into it for things to work properly. The server tracks all your stats and what not, you dont just flip a switch and say hey, "I want this game to now save to the HD instead!". It so much more complex than people that dont know anything about it realize.