How could this happen?

Does anyone still like, believe that the US wars in Iraq & Afghanistan are anything but a huge cluster**** that just keeps getting worse and worse? I mean, these wars are not that far from becoming a kind of generational war that just goes on and on with no sight of it actually ending. Maybe that was the original purpose, to start a 'perpetual war' in the Middle East.

Edit. And no, I don't care if it's Obama or that spawn of satan Bush at the helm.

[Skybird]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail#In_England_and_Wales

And no matter what the British laws and courts say, a bail that must not be handed over in advance or must not be proven by surety/security, is not a bail (=Kaution). In fact it renders the term "on bail" completely meaningless. A bail means a security that needs to be handed over in advance - that is inevitably part of the definition. It's the very meaning of the term, else it is a release woithout bail. A bail (or a legally valid surety that gets checked and assured by the authority) that is not to be handed out in advance, is not a bail. Like a penalty that is suspended is not a penalty, for the penalty does not take place: "only if in the future..." the subject with a suspended penlty is not punished, but under supervision, and that is something totally different from penalty, and it should not be called a suspended penalty - like a bail that must not brought in in advance is not a bail, but no bail at all.

As long as the dictionary does not translate bollocks here. German "Freilassung auf Kaution" in juristic context is translated as "released on bail", while German "Mietkaution" is translated as "x months' rent in advance/as a deposite." the German juristic concept (and meaning of the word "Kaution" in general) of bail equals that of "giving a security in advance/as a deposite".

the more i think of it the more I think that "Freilassung auf Kaution" und "release on bail" do not mean the same thing.

[NeonSamurai]

I vote give him his detector, and drop him off in the middle of a minefield.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

I vote give him his detector, and drop him off in the middle of a minefield.

Kinda reminds me of the sleazy contractors in the US Civil War who made a fortune selling the Union Army broken down horses that weren't fit for the glue factory, and shoddy shoes for the infantry that fell apart in the first rain. The ugly tradition of war profiteering marches on.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And no matter what the British laws and courts say, a bail that must not be handed over in advance

You accuse the British courts of using the wrong word in a language that isn't your first tongue? Has your arrogance no bounds?

That aside, what does the word matter? Roses by any other name smell
the same because language is the slave of meaning, not meaning the
slave of language. Meaning always precedes language.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

I vote give him his detector, and drop him off in the middle of a minefield.

We'll have to remember to include the proper chip, of course

And no matter what the British laws and courts say,

Errrrr...its English laws and English courts. And funnily enough its the English language too

Nobody can say or has an argument to claim that this fella is "unlikely to flee",

Actually they have, otherwise he wouldn't be granted bail.

and he already has proven that he is a threat to the public.

No he hasn't, if he was a threat to the public then he wouldn't be able to get bail.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Letum

You accuse the British courts of using the wrong word in a language that isn't your first tongue? Has your arrogance no bounds?

That aside, what does the word matter? Roses by any other name smell
the same because language is the slave of meaning, not meaning the
slave of language. Meaning always precedes language.

Check your own dictionary before pointing fingers, laserbrain.

to be (out) on bail gegen Kaution freigelassen sein; to let sb out on bail jdn gegen Kaution freilassen
© Langenscheidt KG, Berlin und München und HarperCollins Publishers Ltd

http://de.pons.eu/dict/search/result...ail&in=&l=deen

A Kaution that is not given in advance is no Kaution. A bail that is not given in advance is no bail. A security that is not given (or secured) in advance is no security. For SteamWake English is native language - and he also asks you about bails not being payed.

[Letum]

...you seem to have missed my point a little...

[FIREWALL]

Those in charge that ordered those there's a simple explanation.

THE PETER PRINCIPLE. Enough said ?

Fair play to Jim McCormick.
The old lesson applies, buyer beware.
If people are dumb enough to by such an obviously useless magic wand then that is their problem and their stupidity.

Check your own dictionary before pointing fingers, laserbrain.

Check the meaning of the words you use.

to be (out) on bail gegen Kaution freigelassen sein; to let sb out on bail jdn gegen Kaution freilassen

Wow does Letum have a German dictionary. How does a german legal term translate to a British legal term?
Oh yeah, it doesn't as the laws are different.

So the problem that arose

He's free again, on bail.

What sort of bail? Skybird didn't know

Acceptable, eventually, only if the bail is of the ammount of all profits he has made by selling these things

He set conditions on something he didn't know, the limits and terms of which he also didn't know.

so that he has no reserves to flee

He followed with nonsense, if there was a reasonable chance of the person fleeing the jurisdiction they wouldn't get bail.

One interesting thing though.

For SteamWake English is native language - and he also asks you about bails not being payed.

Steamwake asked a question as he understood that similar laws and language can be different in different countries.
Skybirds just insisted that English law and English language are wrong because otherwise he would be wrong.