I Dont Understand It - Page 2

FIREWALL · 09-13-09, 12:31 PM

Get those kids to safety then, worry about helping her if she wants it.

09-13-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Well that's the thing isn't it. AA for example is a 100% christian organisation, and being the most 'famous' organisation that tries to rehabilitate alcoholics it's no wonder that quite a few ex-alcoholics are religious.

And the same is true of prisons too, the church has a veritable monopoly when it comes to re-education and downright brainwashing of prisoners. And it's not like a lot of people even consider prisoners right to non-religious things a basic human right. Same is true of old people, lots of force feeding of religious things to old people, and also to soldiers in the army. And of course kids in school. The list goes on and on.

It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that the only thing they shove down peoples throats is Major Monotheistic beliefs, We need some Atheists, Wiccans, Norse, Pagans, Buddhists, Hellenics and every other religion, minor religion and belief group force feeding religious things to people.

You either force feed nothing or you force feed EVERYTHING, in my eyes.

FIREWALL · 09-13-09, 05:52 PM

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I Dont Understand It " And niether do some here John.

Not all. Just some.

I never cease to be amazed around here of the ones that claim to be so smart can't, See the " Forest for the Trees "

I couldn't Think as slow as some of you if I tried.

GoldenRivet · 09-13-09, 05:57 PM

funny stuff...

Freiwillige · 09-13-09, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

its cravings become more important that family, God, Friends (In the real sense and not the trash she associates with).

What in Tartaros does religion have to do with this?

I was using examples of things important to the average person.

I am Atheist

Kapt Z · 09-13-09, 06:02 PM

GR, you state that child protective services were of little or no help.....

What did they say?

Seems to me that given their mother's behavior, the kids are being subjected to neglect and probably dangerous environments. Would a case worker be at least able to open a investigation to decide if your and the family's fears are of merit?

As to the reason she has 'chosen' this path? Damned if I know.

FIREWALL · 09-13-09, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

GR, you state that child protective services were of little or no help.....

What did they say?

Seems to me that given their mother's behavior, the kids are being subjected to neglect and probably dangerous environments. Would a case worker be at least able to open a investigation to decide if your and the family's fears are of merit?

As to the reason she has 'chosen' this path? Damned if I know.

To your post. GR and family need to do something for the kids sake.

And I know he will.

GoldenRivet · 09-13-09, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

GR, you state that child protective services were of little or no help.....

What did they say?

Seems to me that given their mother's behavior, the kids are being subjected to neglect and probably dangerous environments. Would a case worker be at least able to open a investigation to decide if your and the family's fears are of merit?

As to the reason she has 'chosen' this path? Damned if I know.

they interviewed the grand parents and "talked" with sister in law.

they found out where the children were "abandoned" and allowed the grandparents to go under sheriff escort to the residence of this stranger. It couldnt be labeled an abandonment case because sister in law claimed that she was out of town looking for a job and had left the kids with a friend for the remainder of the month.

when the children encountered the grandparents they were happy to see them.

the question was

"Do you want to go and stay with grandma and grandpa?"

it was explained that it would be a long time before their mom would come back for them... however the kids had been lied to.

the kids naively said

"mommy is coming to get us tomorrow... when she comes to get us we will come stay with you, but mommy said not to leave here with anyone."

the sheriff said that was all he could do at that point. since the kids elected to stay and wait for their mother the grandparents had to leave the individuals property immediately.

it would be another 2 weeks before "mommy" came and got the kids.

this was about a month and a half ago.

now we have learned that there is a custody battle between the sister and law - and a random boyfriend who is not the biological father of the children.

drug testing supposedly was commenced on both the mother and this "boyfriend" on Thursday or Friday.

no further news other than my in-laws have gotten themselves a lawyer.

Wolfehunter · 09-13-09, 08:36 PM

So this stranger boyfriend from your sister in law is trying to take the kids away from you all?

Wow.

Good news that your side is fighting the good fight.. between the two others.

FIREWALL · 09-13-09, 09:15 PM

Good for the in-laws.

A lawyer is the fastest and best way at this point.

Just don't let up. Follow this up.

claybirdd · 09-14-09, 12:03 AM

It takes a combination of tough love and letting her hit rock bottom. Then once she has lost everything, she needs a loving family to help her put the pieces back together in the right order. Thats what it took for me though it was cocain and I didnt have children or a wife.

I REALLY hope things get better and my primary concern would be the children.

GoldenRivet · 09-14-09, 01:36 AM

well i wont accuse her of doing drugs, but it wouldnt surprise me... guess we will have to wait and see what the test results yield.

09-14-09, 03:23 AM

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this was about a month and a half ago.

Did you expect instant results?

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It is a long process which can be complicated and expensive,

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now we have learned that there is a custody battle between the sister and law - and a random boyfriend who is not the biological father of the children.

And if the natural father is informed (which he is legally entitled to) it will become even longer and more complicated.
If you or the grandparents think there is a real major problem with the welfare of the children then apply for an interim order to put the children into state care until custody is resolved.

KG_Jag · 09-14-09, 03:46 AM

What's the story on the bio dad(s)? [Holds breath hoping for some good news, but expecting the worst]

These are the guys with some legal leverage.

Do you know if they are in Texas?

Arclight · 09-14-09, 06:09 AM

I don't know her motivations, but I do know that what you described exactly matches my mom. I can't say for certain she has a drug problem, but I can say for certain my mom has a severe drug problem (I'm amazed she's still alive), so it seems likely (to me).

I don't think it's possible to reason with her to get her to straighten out; she either will or she won't, and it's all up to her. The only advice I can give is to get those kids out of there and into a healthy environment, or she will drag them down with her.

Everytime I tried to achieve anything it was like getting the rug pulled out from under me, ending up flat on my ass again; those kids need a strong foundation if they are to build a life for themselfs, they need someone they can rely on.

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FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Get those kids to safety then, worry about helping her if she wants it. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

09-13-09, 05:52 PM	#18
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	" I Dont Understand It " And niether do some here John. Not all. Just some. I never cease to be amazed around here of the ones that claim to be so smart can't, See the " Forest for the Trees " I couldn't Think as slow as some of you if I tried. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	funny stuff... __________________

09-13-09, 08:36 PM	#24
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	So this stranger boyfriend from your sister in law is trying to take the kids away from you all? Wow. Good news that your side is fighting the good fight.. between the two others. __________________

09-13-09, 09:15 PM	#25
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Good for the in-laws. A lawyer is the fastest and best way at this point. Just don't let up. Follow this up. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

09-13-09, 06:01 PM	#20
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Quote: Originally Posted by Freiwillige its cravings become more important that family, God, Friends (In the real sense and not the trash she associates with). What in Tartaros does religion have to do with this? I was using examples of things important to the average person. I am Atheist

09-13-09, 06:02 PM	#21
Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	GR, you state that child protective services were of little or no help..... What did they say? Seems to me that given their mother's behavior, the kids are being subjected to neglect and probably dangerous environments. Would a case worker be at least able to open a investigation to decide if your and the family's fears are of merit? As to the reason she has 'chosen' this path? Damned if I know.

09-14-09, 12:03 AM	#26
claybirdd Frogman Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Pulaski Tennessee Posts: 290 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	It takes a combination of tough love and letting her hit rock bottom. Then once she has lost everything, she needs a loving family to help her put the pieces back together in the right order. Thats what it took for me though it was cocain and I didnt have children or a wife. I REALLY hope things get better and my primary concern would be the children.

09-14-09, 01:36 AM	#27
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	well i wont accuse her of doing drugs, but it wouldnt surprise me... guess we will have to wait and see what the test results yield. __________________

09-14-09, 03:46 AM	#29
KG_Jag Bosun Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Braunfels, TX & Reno, NV Posts: 67 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	What's the story on the bio dad(s)? [Holds breath hoping for some good news, but expecting the worst] These are the guys with some legal leverage. Do you know if they are in Texas?

09-14-09, 06:09 AM	#30
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	I don't know her motivations, but I do know that what you described exactly matches my mom. I can't say for certain she has a drug problem, but I can say for certain my mom has a severe drug problem (I'm amazed she's still alive), so it seems likely (to me). I don't think it's possible to reason with her to get her to straighten out; she either will or she won't, and it's all up to her. The only advice I can give is to get those kids out of there and into a healthy environment, or she will drag them down with her. Everytime I tried to achieve anything it was like getting the rug pulled out from under me, ending up flat on my ass again; those kids need a strong foundation if they are to build a life for themselfs, they need someone they can rely on. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.