Just venting, no need to read!

KeybdFlyer · 08-01-09, 06:06 PM

On my own in the house atm, so nobody to whinge at, lol. So far this evening I've spent almost an hour and have dumped five (yes, 5) saved games, trying to get back into my career. That's roughly 4¾hrs of (pretty successful) game-play from last night totally wasted - and I still haven't found a save that'll load yet, might have to dump another three or four for all I know. I've read threads where people say they've played SH3 for years and never had a save fail to load! How do they DO it? I haven't updated my calculations yet, but on this re-install (new machine) I at about 33% failure-rate for my saves. It's also taking anything up to an hour to get playing as I work my way backwards one save at a time to find one that isn't corrupted. Give me strength! Ok, whinge over and time to try another saved game.

Ok, that's it. Career terminated as a waste of time and effort. It'll be faster to simply start a new one. Two more saves failed, that's 50% of the saves in that mission (#11).

Brag · 08-01-09, 07:28 PM

What mods do you have?

Jimbuna · 08-02-09, 07:01 AM

That's rough matey....but TBH you've obviously got conflict issues based within your installation which are obviously going to replicate themselves in the future.

My advice would be to perform a new fresh installation after removing your present one using the disc option and performing a thorough registry clean.

You should also delete the SH3 folder in C\MyDocs (that is where your corrupt saves are stored).

I can assure you the above is not as daunting as it may appear.....I have performed the above on more occasions than I care to remember.

Rafael · 08-02-09, 09:57 AM

@Brag.

I have the same problems. Lost saved games and these are the mods that are installed:

Thomsens Ships V4.1
GWX - Main movie - 'Das Boot'
LifeBoats&Debris_v4
GWX - Merged Campaign
GWX - Bearded faces
GWX - Das Boot Clothes
GWX - No Bell Ring
OLC 'Gold' MkII ~ Option 3 ~ Environment with EDE and GUI
Unofficial_rockets_fix_GWX3.0
OLC's Modified Searchlight Beams for GWX3
Internal U-Boat Sound Effect
Water Droplet Mod
Flags_enlighten
Pascal_Port_People
WBs Mission Orders Lite

There are no conflicts mentioned by JSGME.

It's really frustrating to loose all the patrols you've done.

I suppose the following:

1. Never save when submerged. Only surfaced!
2. Never save when enemy is in your sight.
3. Probably NEVER save over an existed save. (over write it).

Am I right?

PappyCain · 08-02-09, 10:04 AM

JimBuna is correct - been there. There is a corruption somewhere caused most likely by the PC. Save your campaign folder then do a clean uninstall of the sim and all folders, then install the sim and one by one your mods and campaign folder and files.

Hanomag · 08-02-09, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

My advice would be to perform a new fresh installation after removing your present one using the disc option and performing a thorough registry clean.

I always forget which to do... disc uninstall or add /remove programs..UGH..

Jimbuna · 08-02-09, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanomag

I always forget which to do... disc uninstall or add /remove programs..UGH..

Always the disc option Mike....the add/remove almost always leaves residual files (in some instances I have even seen the software folder left....only a few odds and ends within it I admit, but enough to cause future problems).

The biggie is the registry clean....you'd be amazed how sometimes there are literally hundreds of lines of code left in the pooter.

I use RegVac personally:

http://www.regvac.com/regvac.htm

I believe there is a free trial version.

Sailor Steve · 08-02-09, 03:03 PM

KeybdFlyer, I feel for you. I bought SH3 the day it was released, before I even had a computer that would run it. In that four-and-a-half years I have:

1) Never finished a career - not due to dying but due to:

2) Reloaded the game at least once per month, because I've:

3) Started a new career every time a new mod came along that affected things I wanted to see at the start of my career, starting with the Harbor Traffic mod and ending with the new Kiel Bridge mods.

4) Killed my install due to testing new mods that couldn't be loaded with JSGME.

Brother, I feel your pain, but can give you no sympathy since you haven't yet come close to matching my troubles.

KeybdFlyer · 08-02-09, 03:19 PM

Yep, there is a trial version of RegVac, I'll probably be d/l that later... though the reason I'll be doing that is slightly amusing. I d/l VLC player earlier, installed and check-marked the "Context Menu" option at install. Right-clicked on a .ogg file but saw no context entry. "Hmm", I thought, "Must've forgotten to check that option." So, finding no preference choice (obviously) to add it, I uninstalled & re-installed ensuring I'd checked it this time. All fine, yes? No. lol. Now I have TWO sets of context menu entries to choose from! Apparently the software needs a re-boot to apply it's options (but doesn't tell you it needs that) and doesn't remove all its registry entries at uninstallation. Anyway - I've managed to remove said menu entries, but think I'll d/l RegVac or similar to make life easier next time!

Sometimes I wish I was half as clever as I think I am, 'cause then I'd be clever enough to realise I'm not clever enough to mess around with computers!

@Sailor Steve Ha ha ha - yes, the trials & tribulations of maintaining SH3! I also bought SH3 right after release and have also never finished a career, for very similar reasons too; though more usually involving computers that seem to revel in going "boom" just as I'm getting the hang of some piece of software or other. I'm sure you know the old maxim re. "sympathy" and its location in the dictionary, so I feel no loss for the lack of it!

Jimbuna · 08-02-09, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeybdFlyer

Sometimes I wish I was half as clever as I think I am, 'cause then I'd be clever enough to realise I'm not clever enough to mess around with computers!

None of us is as clever as all of us.....together there is a good chance we can sort out most of the problems encountered here

KeybdFlyer · 08-02-09, 04:06 PM

@jimbuna
Just a thought before I load-up SH3 and see if my latest save works,

. I found the link to your gramophone .ogg files and d/l the lot. Plenty there for me to add - many thanks for the upload.

Some (not that many) are a bit rough around the edges, so I've taken the liberty of removing as much of the surface noise, pops & clicks etc as I could and have also adjusted the bass/mid/treble balance (when the voices were getting a little lost in the music) and maximised the volume (full dynamic range - no clipping). Hope you don't mind! I think I'll also mention that I found a sound file online of an actual ship's telegraph and amended the "stock" GWX sound with it to remove that telephone bell noise! (In fact, I've messed around with dozens of the sound files to get the sound I feel is just right - doesn't everybody?

). Now my gramophone collection is rounding-out nicely! Thanks again!

Jimbuna · 08-02-09, 04:28 PM

Of course I don't mind.

Pleased your enjoying the music (all 10

) I'll be posting file no 11 in a few days.

For the telegraph I use the No Ring Ring mod by Melandir.

PappyCain · 08-02-09, 05:03 PM

Some (not that many) are a bit rough around the edges, so I've taken the liberty of removing as much of the surface noise, pops & clicks etc as I could and have also adjusted the bass/mid/treble balance.

LOL. That is how the platters sounded complete with scratches from the needle as it gouged the grooves - very authentic stuff. I bet many platter was scratched when the sea pitched the boat, sloppy sailors mishandled and especially when the ALARM! sounded and an out of control the needle arm swung wildly to the dismay of the record owner! The records were made of a material that cracked and warped. Yep, I grew up with them at home (no, not my rest home).

78 rpm materials:

Early disc records were made of various materials including hard rubber. From 1897 onwards, earlier materials were largely replaced by a rather brittle formula of 25% shellac, a filler of a cotton compound similar to manila paper, powdered slate, and a small amount of a wax lubricant. The mass production of shellac records began in 1898 in Hanover, Germany, and continued until the end of the 78-rpm format in the late 1950s. "Unbreakable" records, usually of celluloid on a pasteboard base, were made from 1904 onwards, but they suffered from an exceptionally high level of surface noise. "Unbreakable" records could be bent, broken, or otherwise damaged; but not nearly as easily as shellac records. Vinyl was first tried out as a 78 rpm record material in 1940 due to material restrictions. Decca introduced vinyl "Deccalite" 78s after the Second World War, and Victor made some vinyl 78s, but other labels would restrict vinyl production to the newer 33 and 45 formats

KeybdFlyer · 08-02-09, 05:37 PM

Hi PappyCain

Yep, quite agree with your comments, but also bear in mind that at the time, the records were brand new (or pretty new). I'm old enough to have actually bought 78s at the time of release (omg - that old!) and we didn't buy them covered in scratches lol. Anyway - I haven't removed ALL the surface noise, there's still that very slight hiss that you could hear from the needle. (Bamboo or steel for this one dad?

)

PappyCain · 08-03-09, 06:22 AM

Hi KeybdFlyer

Ah yes! I can remember buying 78 vinyl albums myself which appeared after WWII - and inheriting my father's from his his mispent youth (Frank Sinatra etc). The pre-war material did have a hell of a lot of noise in them even new actually as the material for the 78's was poor and pre-vinyl - they broke (shattered) easly when dropped whereas my post war 78's could be tossed about (Beatles etc.). I have a collection of pre-war opera (Yikes don't run!) and were well cared for by a deceased collector. Someday I should get them digitized and remove some of the noise (not that bad as they did not have kids playing them) but I have a war to wage and my boat needs me LOL. I am glad you cleaned them up and I am sure many will appreciate. Jimbunas collection is great.

How would you suggest taking the files Jimbuna assembled and place them onto a DVD or into a MP3 thingy ( can tell I am not an audiophile ) soz I can listen to them anytime without firing up the game? BTW I was in the UK last month and wished I could have listened to the WW2 era music as I drove the coastline! I fly the BoB and went to a few spots like Tangmere and could see the Channel and visualize the air combat. Needed a sound track in my head!

08-01-09, 07:28 PM	#2
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08-02-09, 07:01 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	That's rough matey....but TBH you've obviously got conflict issues based within your installation which are obviously going to replicate themselves in the future. My advice would be to perform a new fresh installation after removing your present one using the disc option and performing a thorough registry clean. You should also delete the SH3 folder in C\MyDocs (that is where your corrupt saves are stored). I can assure you the above is not as daunting as it may appear.....I have performed the above on more occasions than I care to remember. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-02-09, 10:04 AM	#5
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	JimBuna is correct - been there. There is a corruption somewhere caused most likely by the PC. Save your campaign folder then do a clean uninstall of the sim and all folders, then install the sim and one by one your mods and campaign folder and files. __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

08-02-09, 03:03 PM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	KeybdFlyer, I feel for you. I bought SH3 the day it was released, before I even had a computer that would run it. In that four-and-a-half years I have: 1) Never finished a career - not due to dying but due to: 2) Reloaded the game at least once per month, because I've: 3) Started a new career every time a new mod came along that affected things I wanted to see at the start of my career, starting with the Harbor Traffic mod and ending with the new Kiel Bridge mods. 4) Killed my install due to testing new mods that couldn't be loaded with JSGME. Brother, I feel your pain, but can give you no sympathy since you haven't yet come close to matching my troubles. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-02-09, 04:28 PM	#12
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Of course I don't mind. Pleased your enjoying the music (all 10 ) I'll be posting file no 11 in a few days. For the telegraph I use the No Ring Ring mod by Melandir. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-01-09, 06:06 PM	#1
KeybdFlyer 中国水兵 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 272 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Just venting, no need to read! On my own in the house atm, so nobody to whinge at, lol. So far this evening I've spent almost an hour and have dumped five (yes, 5) saved games, trying to get back into my career. That's roughly 4¾hrs of (pretty successful) game-play from last night totally wasted - and I still haven't found a save that'll load yet, might have to dump another three or four for all I know. I've read threads where people say they've played SH3 for years and never had a save fail to load! How do they DO it? I haven't updated my calculations yet, but on this re-install (new machine) I at about 33% failure-rate for my saves. It's also taking anything up to an hour to get playing as I work my way backwards one save at a time to find one that isn't corrupted. Give me strength! Ok, whinge over and time to try another saved game. Ok, that's it. Career terminated as a waste of time and effort. It'll be faster to simply start a new one. Two more saves failed, that's 50% of the saves in that mission (#11). Last edited by KeybdFlyer; 08-01-09 at 06:21 PM.

08-02-09, 09:57 AM	#4
Rafael Captain Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Rotterdam - The Netherlands Posts: 514 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 7	@Brag. I have the same problems. Lost saved games and these are the mods that are installed: Thomsens Ships V4.1 GWX - Main movie - 'Das Boot' LifeBoats&Debris_v4 GWX - Merged Campaign GWX - Bearded faces GWX - Das Boot Clothes GWX - No Bell Ring OLC 'Gold' MkII ~ Option 3 ~ Environment with EDE and GUI Unofficial_rockets_fix_GWX3.0 OLC's Modified Searchlight Beams for GWX3 Internal U-Boat Sound Effect Water Droplet Mod Flags_enlighten Pascal_Port_People WBs Mission Orders Lite There are no conflicts mentioned by JSGME. It's really frustrating to loose all the patrols you've done. I suppose the following: 1. Never save when submerged. Only surfaced! 2. Never save when enemy is in your sight. 3. Probably NEVER save over an existed save. (over write it). Am I right?

08-02-09, 03:19 PM	#9
KeybdFlyer 中国水兵 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 272 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Yep, there is a trial version of RegVac, I'll probably be d/l that later... though the reason I'll be doing that is slightly amusing. I d/l VLC player earlier, installed and check-marked the "Context Menu" option at install. Right-clicked on a .ogg file but saw no context entry. "Hmm", I thought, "Must've forgotten to check that option." So, finding no preference choice (obviously) to add it, I uninstalled & re-installed ensuring I'd checked it this time. All fine, yes? No. lol. Now I have TWO sets of context menu entries to choose from! Apparently the software needs a re-boot to apply it's options (but doesn't tell you it needs that) and doesn't remove all its registry entries at uninstallation. Anyway - I've managed to remove said menu entries, but think I'll d/l RegVac or similar to make life easier next time! Sometimes I wish I was half as clever as I think I am, 'cause then I'd be clever enough to realise I'm not clever enough to mess around with computers! @Sailor Steve Ha ha ha - yes, the trials & tribulations of maintaining SH3! I also bought SH3 right after release and have also never finished a career, for very similar reasons too; though more usually involving computers that seem to revel in going "boom" just as I'm getting the hang of some piece of software or other. I'm sure you know the old maxim re. "sympathy" and its location in the dictionary, so I feel no loss for the lack of it!

08-02-09, 04:06 PM	#11
KeybdFlyer 中国水兵 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 272 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	@jimbuna Just a thought before I load-up SH3 and see if my latest save works, . I found the link to your gramophone .ogg files and d/l the lot. Plenty there for me to add - many thanks for the upload. Some (not that many) are a bit rough around the edges, so I've taken the liberty of removing as much of the surface noise, pops & clicks etc as I could and have also adjusted the bass/mid/treble balance (when the voices were getting a little lost in the music) and maximised the volume (full dynamic range - no clipping). Hope you don't mind! I think I'll also mention that I found a sound file online of an actual ship's telegraph and amended the "stock" GWX sound with it to remove that telephone bell noise! (In fact, I've messed around with dozens of the sound files to get the sound I feel is just right - doesn't everybody? ). Now my gramophone collection is rounding-out nicely! Thanks again!

08-02-09, 05:03 PM	#13
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Some (not that many) are a bit rough around the edges, so I've taken the liberty of removing as much of the surface noise, pops & clicks etc as I could and have also adjusted the bass/mid/treble balance. LOL. That is how the platters sounded complete with scratches from the needle as it gouged the grooves - very authentic stuff. I bet many platter was scratched when the sea pitched the boat, sloppy sailors mishandled and especially when the ALARM! sounded and an out of control the needle arm swung wildly to the dismay of the record owner! The records were made of a material that cracked and warped. Yep, I grew up with them at home (no, not my rest home). 78 rpm materials: Early disc records were made of various materials including hard rubber. From 1897 onwards, earlier materials were largely replaced by a rather brittle formula of 25% shellac, a filler of a cotton compound similar to manila paper, powdered slate, and a small amount of a wax lubricant. The mass production of shellac records began in 1898 in Hanover, Germany, and continued until the end of the 78-rpm format in the late 1950s. "Unbreakable" records, usually of celluloid on a pasteboard base, were made from 1904 onwards, but they suffered from an exceptionally high level of surface noise. "Unbreakable" records could be bent, broken, or otherwise damaged; but not nearly as easily as shellac records. Vinyl was first tried out as a 78 rpm record material in 1940 due to material restrictions. Decca introduced vinyl "Deccalite" 78s after the Second World War, and Victor made some vinyl 78s, but other labels would restrict vinyl production to the newer 33 and 45 formats __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

08-02-09, 05:37 PM	#14
KeybdFlyer 中国水兵 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 272 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Hi PappyCain Yep, quite agree with your comments, but also bear in mind that at the time, the records were brand new (or pretty new). I'm old enough to have actually bought 78s at the time of release (omg - that old!) and we didn't buy them covered in scratches lol. Anyway - I haven't removed ALL the surface noise, there's still that very slight hiss that you could hear from the needle. (Bamboo or steel for this one dad? )

08-03-09, 06:22 AM	#15
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hi KeybdFlyer Ah yes! I can remember buying 78 vinyl albums myself which appeared after WWII - and inheriting my father's from his his mispent youth (Frank Sinatra etc). The pre-war material did have a hell of a lot of noise in them even new actually as the material for the 78's was poor and pre-vinyl - they broke (shattered) easly when dropped whereas my post war 78's could be tossed about (Beatles etc.). I have a collection of pre-war opera (Yikes don't run!) and were well cared for by a deceased collector. Someday I should get them digitized and remove some of the noise (not that bad as they did not have kids playing them) but I have a war to wage and my boat needs me LOL. I am glad you cleaned them up and I am sure many will appreciate. Jimbunas collection is great. How would you suggest taking the files Jimbuna assembled and place them onto a DVD or into a MP3 thingy ( can tell I am not an audiophile ) soz I can listen to them anytime without firing up the game? BTW I was in the UK last month and wished I could have listened to the WW2 era music as I drove the coastline! I fly the BoB and went to a few spots like Tangmere and could see the Channel and visualize the air combat. Needed a sound track in my head! __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html Last edited by PappyCain; 08-03-09 at 06:34 AM.